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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat

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from outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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good evening

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yeah how you doing how you doing

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today is wednesday march 17 2021

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76 days into the new year

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only 289 days left we are live from a

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bunker somewhere in the middle of

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beautiful downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra the planets

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i'm yours jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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how you doing how you doing happy saint

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patty's day everybody saint patrick's

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that's right you know throughout social

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i was uh looking at all of the pictures

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of everybody hoisting up

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i that that's my beer of choice that's

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patrick's day you know

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posers posers

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you need to when you walk into a lounge

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that's what you order every time you sit

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down somebody you know and i

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i i ask anybody that's been around me

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i asked the the waiter the waitress

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same thing what's the darkest thing

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you've got i want the list

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i want the list of the darkest well uh

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you know we got a blue moon that's not

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beer i like my beer doc

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you know and once in a while so uh but

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blue moon get your little slice of

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uber dark beers you know with chocolate

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those are good um what was that

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smog city but but anyway happy

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st patrick's day everybody and i hope

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you celebrated it right

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somebody live on the radio uh show up

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st patrick's day celebra how do you

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st patrick's day all right

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where am i at uh i announced this uh

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june 6th through the 12th in laughlin

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you can go to the links that we've got

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laughlin ufomegaconference.com

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we've got the links up and i want

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everybody to go and click

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and get your tickets because this is

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that's right a real conference happening

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in june of 2021.

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and get your tickets and then you'll be

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we'll have shirts there your faded black

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aquarius hotel and casino full of fader

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event hotels are cheap this is gonna be

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so there you go okay all right

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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that's what you want to do at j church

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radio hello to everybody

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out there right now youtube facebook the

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right right you know what's going on

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spreaker if you want to get into the

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chat you can jump over there hashtag

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f2b is the sandbox

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third stone studios coming in strong

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i think there's just one episode left

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by the way and if you haven't checked

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out american gods watch it

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just warning you now the kids are not

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i'm telling you that's where it's at and

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i warned everybody last night

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rick and morty don't because it's

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best thing ever on television

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who knew new new new rick and morty

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right now in hollywood

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i live here you know it's the chat you

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today the one and only

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i'm going to ask come on fader knots

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escape from new york fair

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that's a fair crack i get that i'm going

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deaf proof death death proof

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was that called captain ron

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remember rob lowe today is

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grimes today is 33.

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welcome back right theme song to welcome

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back cotter

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remember that you like that song finn

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he's born right here in glendale

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california

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paul mars black today hollywood legend

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today is moment of silence please nat

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pianist that's right

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he could play the piano which makes him

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that's a fact on valentine's day cole

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and his wife briefly left st

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john's medical center in santa monica

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california to drive by the sea

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he died at the hospital the next day on

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february 15

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1965 of lung cancer

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nat was just 45 years old happy birthday

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knacking cole on this day in history 461

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a.d

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st patrick christian missionary bishop

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and apostle of ireland dies at

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sao dal patrick ireland

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fader fact all right now

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here you go and research this

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look it up this is crazy town

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the largest man-made

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structure in history

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was the walls of bannon in

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present-day nigeria they were four times

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longer than the great wall of china

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and contained 100 times more material

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than the great pyramid then the british

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showed up in 1897

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destroyed it all leveled it

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leveled it destroyed one of africa's

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greatest man-made structures

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with the fall of benin's wall thousands

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of years of

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africa's historical evidence were erased

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what remains of the wall itself today

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continues to be torn down for real

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estate

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development and that

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is your fader fact tonight very

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very special show with a very special

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guest attorney

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james lowe is here we're going to be

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talking about the uaptf report to the

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senate intelligence committee

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and tomorrow it's another fader night

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with open lines

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all night long now it's time for me to

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ah rivermoonwellness.com to black blend

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block

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my coffee doc like i like my beer

330
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doc man that's good coffee

331
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once in a while i mean it's always a

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good pot

333
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it's always good it's always good always

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great but once in a while

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the sun the moon the stars everything

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aligns and it's just the right and

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that right there is correct

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river moon coffee man best coffee in the

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world

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the the websites the links amazon

341
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everything that you need is over at

342
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jimmychurchradio.com click and get

343
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yourself the best coffee in the world it

344
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is truly the best coffee in the world

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all right

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i have the feeling

347
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yeah i do

348
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but i'm not so sure it's going to

349
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necessarily be directly

350
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it may be but

351
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but i'm picking up signals

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in the conversations that i've been

353
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having over the last

354
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month that's right

355
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and the chatter is starting to overlap

356
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look it's very simple

357
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doesn't take a rocket scientists to

358
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figure this out

359
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and

360
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it's very strange i brought up a point

361
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last night

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uh about john mack uh with stephen

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bassett

364
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and and the point that i brought up is

365
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something that i have practiced

366
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:08,080
myself and i do it all the time i do it

367
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where i don't reveal stuff

368
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what i do is listen

369
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and all of you can benefit from this

370
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practice

371
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okay initiate

372
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but let somebody else do the talking

373
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initiate

374
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right let somebody else talk

375
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you pick up on things little little

376
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things inside and then

377
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suddenly you connect it

378
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and i brought that up last night with

379
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stephen bassett about john mack

380
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i think that john mack was

381
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going through early on

382
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going through a couple of research

383
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uh components people

384
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sessions and and he's taking his notes

385
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,320
copious stuff he's probably recording

386
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and then

387
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else and it just

388
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said something you know it doesn't

389
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matter somebody said

390
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uh somebody said

391
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let's make something it doesn't matter

392
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um

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bottled water alkaline

394
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bottled whatever i'm saying that because

395
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this is staring at me in the face

396
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right here alkaline ph 9.5

397
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and maybe that was it right ph 9.5 and

398
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then a month later

399
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:54,799
somebody says ph 9.5 what

400
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,549
you don't say it you wait for somebody

401
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:06,640
else and then somebody else to repeat

402
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,280
and then right and you start to figure

403
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:10,960
this stuff out

404
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:14,960
that's what you do and

405
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:17,520
i'm starting to pick up on this right

406
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,320
now

407
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:21,600
started about a month ago

408
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:25,039
and weird little things now and this is

409
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,080
what

410
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,960
um i find fascinating and i'm just gonna

411
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:30,000
be straight

412
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:33,039
with with everybody that is listening

413
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:37,200
everyone is this

414
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:40,559
most if not all

415
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,480
but most researchers in the ufo

416
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:46,400
community

417
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,320
don't share their stuff

418
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:53,760
nope they don't they don't share

419
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,960
and they don't partner up now

420
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:59,600
there's exceptions right carrie and

421
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,159
schmidt

422
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,279
great example right uh

423
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,279
stanton and kathleen martin great

424
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:07,039
partnership right there

425
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:11,679
it happens but by and large

426
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:15,840
nobody shares okay so i know

427
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,640
that when i am having a conversation

428
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:20,320
with somebody and i know who this person

429
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,120
is i know

430
00:24:28,269 --> 00:24:24,240
for a fact

431
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,279
a fact i'm not i'm not

432
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,200
hypothesizing i'm not no

433
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,679
i am stating as fact that whoever i am

434
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,279
speaking to has not had this

435
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:37,760
conversation with another ufo researcher

436
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:42,080
guaranteed guaranteed but

437
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,520
i have another conversation with

438
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:44,880
somebody and we're going through our

439
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,390
wait a minute i know that this person

440
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:53,840
hasn't talked to this person

441
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:57,600
that's a fact that's a fact

442
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:00,640
how did that just happen well

443
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:05,039
it has continued and continued

444
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:14,230
i'm not necessarily

445
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:21,279
at this point honed in on specifics

446
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,070
rita but i'm not doing that i'm not

447
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:32,159
i'm not going to do any kind of reveal

448
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:33,520
or

449
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:37,200
project not going to do that not yet at

450
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:37,840
least

451
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:42,480
but it has gotten to the point where

452
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,679
rita said to me today

453
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,000
something and she blurted this out

454
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,400
sitting outside drinking coffee

455
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,960
and i literally turned to her and went

456
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,039
ding ding ding ding ding we have a

457
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:57,440
winner

458
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,110
so and she deduced this

459
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:07,039
from the same chatter the same thing you

460
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:08,240
know if there's

461
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:19,269
and and i think it's going to be big now

462
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:20,640
i'm not talking about

463
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,120
folks listen listen i'm talking about

464
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,960
something in the sky i'm not talking

465
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,039
about that i'm not talking about the

466
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:30,880
president on live tv

467
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,240
not talking about that it's

468
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,320
it's it's it's gonna be part of the

469
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:38,559
community but it's going to be something

470
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,120
else and it's going to be big

471
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:45,760
right not necessarily a good thing and

472
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:46,320
what's

473
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,000
weird is that

474
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,120
in the end it's going to be good

475
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:56,480
but i'm telling you all signals man

476
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:00,159
all signals a little nervous

477
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:04,400
i remember um uh

478
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,120
there have been a few times

479
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:12,400
uh in the last 20 years and certainly

480
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,200
in the last 10 where the chatter got

481
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,480
heated things are there

482
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,960
of that and then and then the next thing

483
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,240
you know boom right

484
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,760
okay and and you can feel it and you can

485
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,200
see it

486
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,480
you know there's too many there's too

487
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,159
many researchers out there

488
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,679
good ones that have connections

489
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,520
that are out there pushing they're out

490
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:37,200
there talking about their thing and

491
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,399
eventually

492
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,440
as you get past the wall

493
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:44,799
of of the front line stuff

494
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,760
this stuff yeah you know it's it's

495
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,000
crisscrossing in the background

496
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,760
you know it's it's just there and it

497
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,240
just filters up it's filtering up and it

498
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,559
finds its way to the surface

499
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,960
and these little things were not

500
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,480
necessarily

501
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,840
when somebody's in the middle of a

502
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,679
conversation that they're even aware of

503
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,960
it too

504
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,120
they're not it's just these little

505
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:09,360
nuggets and when you get the little

506
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,960
nugget and you hear it over and over and

507
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:13,440
over

508
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,120
again you have to stop and go there's

509
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:20,480
something going on there's something

510
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:29,430
i can't uh i think that

511
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:32,480
maybe mid next week

512
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:35,919
as things start to

513
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:40,720
clarify

514
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:44,080
um i may throw some ideas out there for

515
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:45,200
everybody and i know what you're

516
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:46,159
thinking right now

517
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,760
this is jimmy is just going on and on

518
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,960
and on

519
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,960
and and what's he you know get to the

520
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,240
point i can't

521
00:29:03,750 --> 00:28:57,520
say i can't

522
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,760
but it's bubbling it's bubbling

523
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,480
it's bubbling it's interesting i'm

524
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:08,080
telling you right now

525
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:12,720
started um

526
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,919
started it started about a month ago

527
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,200
and it was like two or three

528
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,279
conversations i had in a day

529
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,840
and it was just like and and i just

530
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,080
remember stepping back

531
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,799
you know huh all right i've been through

532
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,760
this before

533
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,600
okay all right i'll let the weirdness

534
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,760
pass you know and then and then it was

535
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,960
the next day

536
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,640
somebody else you know it's just a

537
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,480
normal conversation but then a little

538
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:39,600
key what

539
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,630
i'm telling you there's going to be some

540
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:50,640
vindication too as well there's going to

541
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:51,039
be

542
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,919
what you think either that's the other

543
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:02,559
thing that's the other thing

544
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,679
and it was just so funny uh rita's

545
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:07,279
comment to me today

546
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,000
where she just nailed it right

547
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,240
and i can't i i don't want to get into

548
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:16,559
the specifics

549
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,480
but she said what i was thinking

550
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:25,600
it was bizarre so i know i'm not wrong i

551
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:26,480
know i'm not wrong

552
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,200
i know i'm not i know i'm not all right

553
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,279
so with that

554
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:34,480
we've got an amazing show coming up uh

555
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:37,520
amazing conversation attorney james lowe

556
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:40,960
is with us he sent me uh

557
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:44,320
an advanced uh uh section

558
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,600
the uh executive summary of his new book

559
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,880
now we're gonna be talking about this

560
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,279
tonight this is to prep

561
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,520
capitol hill washington d.c and

562
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:54,640
journalists

563
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:58,080
on the upcoming uaptf report

564
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,279
that is going to be presented to the

565
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:04,799
senate intelligence committee all right

566
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:08,399
now this is uh uh something that not

567
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,440
only did i enjoy

568
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:12,480
reading but this is exactly what i like

569
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:13,600
to read

570
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,200
and it's incredibly well done

571
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,200
it's well done we're gonna be discussing

572
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all of that tonight

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and uh and and much more i am your host

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jimmy church this is fade to block

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you guys ready it's gonna be a wild ride

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nuts i'll be right back after this short

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

682
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your host jimmy church

683
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tonight attorney james lowe is with us

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tomorrow night

685
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is fader night open lines all night long

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my favorite night of the week besides

687
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tonight

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with attorney james love we're

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we're going to discuss all sides of the

690
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upcoming ua ptf report that will be

691
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presented to the senate intelligence

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committee and his new book

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ufo briefing book a guide to

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congressional oversight of the uap

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phenomenon it's going to be distributed

696
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to the media and capitol hill we'll

697
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discuss

698
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all of that tonight and his approach

699
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,079
to this and i want to lay this out to

700
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,720
everybody as methodically as i can

701
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,960
to all of the fader knots james is a

702
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,400
retired attorney who

703
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specialized in government law including

704
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constitutional law

705
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,359
election law and appellate practice he

706
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also taught decision making in urban

707
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communities at

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the san diego state university school of

709
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public affairs

710
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:46,400
his interest in ufos comes from having

711
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,440
witnessed several

712
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,400
at close range over his lifetime and i

713
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:52,000
would like to welcome for the first time

714
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,359
to fade to black

715
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,599
jim lowe jim good evening my man how you

716
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:57,440
doing

717
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,760
pretty good uh happy st patrick's day

718
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,599
that's it that's that's all you got for

719
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:05,119
us that's

720
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:08,960
that's it uh james patrick lowe low

721
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,079
low is the anglicized version of lake

722
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:15,040
in gaelic oh so so you've been drinking

723
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:16,320
all day

724
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,920
uh no i have foregone my heritage to

725
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,760
make sure i don't stumble too much

726
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,839
tonight yeah all right fair enough fair

727
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,040
enough jim fair enough

728
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,160
well this is the deal uh right now

729
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,960
you get the first time guest disclaimer

730
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,000
okay so let's get that

731
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,400
out of the way which is this jim it's

732
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,160
just you and i sitting on my couch

733
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,160
having a conversation as friends

734
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,160
and where that conversation starts it

735
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starts where it ends and ends

736
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,320
but we're gonna end his friends all

737
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,599
right

738
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,160
okay does the attorney initial the

739
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:49,680
disclaimer

740
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:52,880
yes initialed stamped certified

741
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,160
okay so um

742
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:59,280
i wanted to do i knew i knew what my

743
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,480
first question

744
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,720
was uh going to be tonight and i don't

745
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:03,599
think about this

746
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:06,800
often but uh certainly with you

747
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,119
um it applies how do you go

748
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:14,400
from constitutional law uh

749
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:18,480
and an attorney to writing

750
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:21,760
the senate a book on ufos

751
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:25,040
that's a crazy couldn't you have just

752
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,560
bought a corvette

753
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:30,000
and and and done the the midlife crisis

754
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:30,560
thing

755
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:33,119
would that have been easier what's going

756
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,160
on

757
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:36,480
uh yeah it would have been a lot easier

758
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:37,200
actually

759
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,320
uh but having i in 2014 i joined

760
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:45,359
yvonne's uh smith's group

761
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:48,720
cerro and uh

762
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,920
took out of what uh al gore used to call

763
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:53,520
his lockbox

764
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,720
i took out my experiences

765
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,599
practicing law for 40 years i mostly

766
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,400
represented elected officials

767
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:05,359
and so you know i had experiences over

768
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:06,319
my life

769
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:10,079
but you can't talk about it or you can't

770
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,440
do anything

771
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,400
you know it it would affect my career

772
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,079
but more importantly

773
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,240
it would affect my clients if you're

774
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:19,920
standing up in court

775
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,040
in an election case representing a city

776
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,480
or an initiative group or whatever

777
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,440
and uh they bring up if they don't have

778
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,280
the facts of the law on their side they

779
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:32,720
argue about you

780
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:35,800
and your credibility and so

781
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:38,880
unfortunately the uh

782
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,079
the world is the way it is now is

783
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,599
you can't bring out these experiences

784
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:47,280
and stand up in front of a federal

785
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:51,119
judge and expect fair treatment

786
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:55,520
and so you know my elected clients

787
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,720
you know they didn't run to uh work with

788
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,800
a city attorney or special counsel

789
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,720
that's a ufo person

790
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:05,440
and so i pretty much kept these things

791
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,160
to myself

792
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,119
with a small group of friends and late

793
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,079
in my career i started going to

794
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:15,119
experiencer sessions with yvonne and her

795
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,079
group

796
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,520
and the more i did the more i realized i

797
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,440
felt at home with that group

798
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,359
frankly more than a lot of my lawyer

799
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,960
friends yeah

800
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,599
you don't want to be standing in court

801
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:29,280
and somebody just blurts out

802
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,640
yeah but judge great argument but he's

803
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,200
the ufo guy

804
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,760
right right and that's all they've got

805
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:38,640
to say

806
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:42,400
and suddenly the focus is on that

807
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:45,839
and not what is being presented in court

808
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,200
so yeah well let me

809
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,119
i'm gonna i'm gonna stay in front of you

810
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,040
uh for just a second

811
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,920
there's another part to this um in

812
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,960
reading

813
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,280
your executive summary of the book now

814
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,160
you sent me 26 pages um

815
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:05,920
and i am used to reading um some pretty

816
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:08,560
excellent stuff from some great

817
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,359
researchers

818
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,880
right there's some really good stuff out

819
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:13,520
there you present this

820
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:17,119
in such a compelling way i'm thinking to

821
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,079
myself

822
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:21,359
where's this guy been the ufo community

823
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:21,839
has

824
00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:25,359
needed this kind of representation for a

825
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:26,920
very long time

826
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:29,599
extremely well written and thought out

827
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:30,880
and methodical

828
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,920
like an attorney like a good attorney

829
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,480
and it's very difficult to argue with

830
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,400
something that is presented

831
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,440
um like that good job okay

832
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:43,839
and i and that's why i want to start off

833
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:50,550
appreciate it it um i pretty much spent

834
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,280
my career

835
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:53,599
writing government reports when i wasn't

836
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:54,480
writing

837
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,839
you know briefs for litigation i uh

838
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,839
most of the type of cases i had i didn't

839
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:04,000
have long trials i didn't do criminal

840
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:04,640
cases

841
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,160
i did uh what are called ritz of mandate

842
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:11,119
where there's where a court tries to

843
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,079
either mandate

844
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,280
or not mandate a particular conduct by a

845
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,800
governmental entity

846
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,599
and so writing is something i i was a

847
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:20,880
poor writer in

848
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,839
college and just through perseverance

849
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,160
and doing it over and over again

850
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,440
you know i worked on it and honed my

851
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:32,240
skills and so

852
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,240
i've spent a lot of time working on

853
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,000
public issues

854
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:39,359
and this ufo issue

855
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,480
should be public it shouldn't be

856
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,240
just for entertainment it should be

857
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:45,680
public policy

858
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:49,359
about it

859
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:52,960
well and and again uh

860
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,760
with what is about to happen and has

861
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,800
been ongoing

862
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,280
for the last few months with with

863
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:01,520
capitol hill and specifically

864
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,200
uh the senate intelligence committee

865
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,079
we're getting into issues now that

866
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:10,000
require

867
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:13,760
their language it needs to be approached

868
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,520
that way so they can digest it

869
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,000
it's very important i can't go up and

870
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,680
speak in front of the senate

871
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:24,240
i i'm not gonna there's i i wouldn't add

872
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:24,960
value

873
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,000
to it it needs to be done in a way

874
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,200
that they are used uh to

875
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,079
review and that is what is presented

876
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:35,440
here

877
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,720
was it purely from your your government

878
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,599
background

879
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,240
and dealing with you know constitutional

880
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,280
law

881
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:46,560
um that you know how to get this writ

882
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:50,800
done so it does get read

883
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,680
i like i said i've represented elected

884
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:55,839
officials for close to 40 years

885
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,280
and so part of helps me know how they

886
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,040
think

887
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,160
i was fortunate to teach

888
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,079
part-time at san diego state in the

889
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,400
school of public affairs in the class i

890
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:09,440
taught

891
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,119
was pretty much geared towards seniors

892
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:16,240
and graduate students not

893
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,520
not figuring out how to you know the the

894
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:22,240
theories of public administration but

895
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:23,400
how to write

896
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,200
persuasively to help your city make the

897
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:28,960
case that you're making

898
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:32,720
and so i've drafted a lot of initiatives

899
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:36,880
uh over the years and the purpose

900
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,319
of having you know

901
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,200
public administration types like myself

902
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,200
is you can put it in language

903
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,359
the goal is to put it in language that's

904
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,640
simple enough for the public to

905
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:49,760
understand

906
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,119
but also is aimed at explaining to the

907
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,720
elected official

908
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:57,839
you know what are the policy options

909
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,880
and which way to approach it so i i

910
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,560
pretty much

911
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,359
approached this as a typical public

912
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,359
policy problem i didn't approach it as a

913
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,720
ufo problem

914
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,720
that just happened to be the subject of

915
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,520
it over the years i've represented

916
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,560
you know private people and governments

917
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,680
on issues that i didn't know anything

918
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,359
about before i started

919
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,240
but i wrote well enough to be able to

920
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,760
put it in place

921
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,520
and so i did the same thing here and

922
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:28,880
thank goodness

923
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,000
i've had enough background in the ufo

924
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:34,480
field as far as reading what i don't

925
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:35,599
have

926
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,440
is in your audience is is just perfect

927
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,200
for this i don't have

928
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,359
sort of that gut feel of what their

929
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:45,040
neighbor when they talk to their

930
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,319
neighbor about this

931
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:49,520
what what rings true what doesn't

932
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,640
and you have a very knowledgeable uh

933
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,960
audience base when it comes to that and

934
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,480
so

935
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:59,280
as i told you in the email i sent you

936
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:00,079
this is

937
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:04,240
focus group

938
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:08,640
that's put together

939
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:11,839
that represent a community

940
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:15,359
and so uh advertisements uh

941
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,040
legislation uh political campaigns are

942
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:21,119
based on what focus groups tell you and

943
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,160
i can't think

944
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,359
you know when i first got asked by you

945
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,200
to be on this i'm

946
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,960
what the hell do i do and so i'm

947
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,400
approaching it like that

948
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,800
is i'm i'm really curious what your

949
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,319
audience thinks

950
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:36,800
about you know disclosure and how we go

951
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,680
about it

952
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,760
and what sells to their neighbors yeah

953
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:41,440
exactly exactly

954
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:44,800
and uh as we talked

955
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:47,920
uh last week um uh

956
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,839
we were in person everybody uh jim and i

957
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,400
were uh

958
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:58,710
one of the things that surprised me

959
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:02,480
and i want to discuss this approach was

960
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:06,319
i said send me the book

961
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,079
and you said well uh i can

962
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,960
and i will but this is going to be

963
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:14,079
distributed

964
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:17,599
first to capitol hill and journalists

965
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,319
out there so they know how to handle

966
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,440
what is about to go on

967
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,400
so let's start there why that approach

968
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,000
first

969
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,359
of all

970
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:33,200
i started drafting this i wasn't even

971
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,640
going to have it published

972
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,960
i was just going to prepare paper but

973
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,800
then i realized that if i went through

974
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,800
some of the publishers it's

975
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,040
it's just as cheap as going to kinko's

976
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,040
and putting it together there

977
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,839
and then i realized other people might

978
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,280
be interested in it

979
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:52,480
and so i put together in

980
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,319
sort of a government report style

981
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:57,920
you know it starts with an executive

982
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,880
summary and it has a conclusion

983
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,880
and each chapter is sort of

984
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:04,000
self-contained

985
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,280
and one of the reasons i can give it to

986
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,200
you is it's not done i mean

987
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:10,079
it's uh i just got the email about four

988
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,359
hours ago

989
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,319
that everything you know all the

990
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:16,640
corrections are done so it's going to

991
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:17,440
print

992
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,200
tomorrow you know and so uh my goal was

993
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:22,640
to get it

994
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:26,480
to the four committees uh the senate

995
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:27,680
intelligence

996
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,440
committee

997
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,240
the house and senate armed services

998
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:36,160
committees those are the four committees

999
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:36,800
that will

1000
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:40,240
get the report now the report is due

1001
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,079
june 25th i was planning on sending

1002
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,760
speeding this up and doing it in

1003
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:47,200
february

1004
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,960
but uh after january 6th

1005
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,559
i figured i'd better give myself a

1006
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,240
little space

1007
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,800
you know so they i think they're closer

1008
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,240
to focusing on it

1009
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,440
so i want to put this in their hands and

1010
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,440
for those that read it or have their

1011
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,200
staffers read it

1012
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:08,160
they can it's something they can pick up

1013
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,480
and

1014
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,640
elected officials get tons of reading

1015
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:12,480
they can pick it up

1016
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,839
and look at one chapter that they're

1017
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:16,800
interested in

1018
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,000
and pretty much get a whole picture of

1019
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,079
that particular issue

1020
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,559
and so you know because usually what

1021
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,000
happens with elected officials

1022
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,079
they read the executive summary they

1023
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:30,559
read a few pages of the conclusion

1024
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,359
and then they make a decision and you

1025
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:34,720
know if they read everything they'd be

1026
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,520
reading 20

1027
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,079
000 pages a week and so they have to

1028
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,240
make decisions and so i

1029
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,960
wrote it in a way that they will be able

1030
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:43,760
to see it

1031
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:48,559
and also from their perspective the

1032
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:52,839
premise of the book isn't that you know

1033
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:56,960
non-terrestrial uh beings are here

1034
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,079
it's that we don't know what it is

1035
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,280
the senate intelligence committee

1036
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:05,119
wants to know whether it's a threat or

1037
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,559
not which is why it's in front of

1038
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,319
intelligence and armed services

1039
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,280
it's not you know their their subject

1040
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,160
matter isn't mysteries of the universe

1041
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,880
and so i wrote it from that perspective

1042
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,440
is that

1043
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,400
no matter you need to ask these

1044
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:21,680
questions

1045
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:25,680
no matter what the ultimate outcome is

1046
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,720
and when you tell elected officials

1047
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,880
what the ultimate outcome is they're

1048
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:31,839
going to rebel

1049
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,880
they don't like that they like they like

1050
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:37,119
finding things for themselves they want

1051
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,400
to do research

1052
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,200
find it for themselves and so uh when

1053
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:43,760
you talk about

1054
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,920
this subject you they they don't

1055
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:50,960
they have very little information

1056
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,680
if you're talking about coveted relief

1057
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,480
or

1058
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,800
defense expenditures you've got think

1059
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,000
tanks out there

1060
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,720
you've got special interest groups that

1061
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,599
constantly bombard them with information

1062
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,359
who's going to give them information on

1063
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,520
this

1064
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,280
the defense community and the

1065
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:10,800
intelligence agency

1066
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:13,839
there is no heritage foundation

1067
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,040
or brookings institution for ufos

1068
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:20,240
and so you know you had on a a good

1069
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:21,040
lobbyist

1070
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:27,839
but i'm the type that does reports and

1071
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:31,280
you know i i did them wrote about them

1072
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:34,240
taught about them and so the goal was to

1073
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,960
give them

1074
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,040
something to have them prepared when

1075
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,119
they get this report

1076
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,920
and you also wanted to be uh you just

1077
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:43,680
brought up the 20 000 page

1078
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:47,040
number which i think is fairly typical

1079
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:50,960
uh when you see things in in congress

1080
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,920
uh these ginormous bills right the

1081
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:56,240
there's so much paperwork involved

1082
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:01,040
that this is about 120 pages

1083
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,800
so it can get read and there's no fluff

1084
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:06,559
it just gets straight to the point

1085
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:09,520
so somebody one of the staffers will

1086
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,000
read

1087
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,160
the complete book right and that's the

1088
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:13,520
goal

1089
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:20,000
when i meet with an elected official

1090
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,359
that like i'm

1091
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:24,000
representing another entity or a private

1092
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,680
group

1093
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,920
the first thing i ask them once we

1094
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,680
decide that we're going to be

1095
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:32,480
you know passing on information and and

1096
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,520
things to them

1097
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,760
i ask them who should i send this to

1098
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,319
who's really going to read this not you

1099
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,880
you know no offense you know i i know i

1100
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:42,400
know you tell everyone you do

1101
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,520
that but you know i i want i want this

1102
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,520
i want their i don't want their chief of

1103
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,720
staff i want this

1104
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:50,480
i want the person that's actually

1105
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,760
working on

1106
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,839
intelligence issues for the intelligence

1107
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,240
committee that will be handling this

1108
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:57,520
issue to read it

1109
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:00,720
because that's who they rely upon now

1110
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:04,960
you uh uh you were very direct with me

1111
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,319
um uh in the very beginning with

1112
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:11,280
with data and stats when it came to what

1113
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,880
the bill contained

1114
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,839
and how this request was made and i've

1115
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:16,640
commented

1116
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,680
a lot on this show uh about that

1117
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,520
and i've read through it i've read those

1118
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:23,280
sections but

1119
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:26,960
um when i started to discuss this with

1120
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,280
you

1121
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,559
i realized out of the gate that this was

1122
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,880
this was in your wheelhouse you knew

1123
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:35,119
exactly what was going on

1124
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:38,559
and how it was requested and dealt with

1125
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,920
so aside from that my statements in the

1126
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:43,119
past

1127
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:47,200
how was this requested and presented

1128
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,359
in the in the budget and and the bill

1129
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:54,000
uh that was finally i guess it was

1130
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:54,720
signed off

1131
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,839
uh early january right yeah

1132
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,559
late december late december right yeah i

1133
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,680
think so yeah

1134
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:04,880
um the way it was

1135
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,160
it was a tortured history because uh

1136
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:11,599
june 8th marco rubio

1137
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:14,400
you know in a closed session because

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most of

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intelligence committee meetings are

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behind closed doors

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because it's about intelligence and uh

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he slipped in this this thing in the

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committee comments

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which isn't part of the bill language

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00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,920
that said

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when when senate bill

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309 39 395

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um whenever it gets approved

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that that triggers the six months well

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then we had all the problems with kovid

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we had the problems with the budget

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didn't get approved

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and so it all ended up in an omnibus

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bill

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that was five pages long and

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if you you're if you're involved in this

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00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:59,680
kind of stuff you can speed read through

1158
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,400
most of the

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the junk and get to the the good stuff

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um

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it just takes a while for your pdf

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document

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to get to it yes exactly but

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uh but so what happened was

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whenever the covid bill uh la

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under well under the trump

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administration was finally approved

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um they also included the omnibus budget

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bill for 2000 fiscal year 2021

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and they unfortunately they they use the

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house

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version of the intelligence bill but

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they put a section in there

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that that incorporated by reference the

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committee comments

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over under both bills and so that's how

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it got

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under the tent and into the process in

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fact it's a little stronger than just

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a general general statement

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that we'd love to see this because it is

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referenced in the bill but it's not but

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00:57:00,950 --> 00:57:00,240
the request for a report doesn't have

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the force of

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law and that's what when i saw that

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with the committee comments back in july

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when i first stumbled across them

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beginning of july i knew that somebody's

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gonna have to do

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something quickly and i was listening

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so i started listening to these kinds of

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shows for a while

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00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:23,359
and i heard uh richard dolan talk about

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that

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uh he was talking about the bill and

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talking about the issues and he

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00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,400
mentioned that we don't have anyone

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00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,720
that has the public policy background in

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the ufo field

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00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,559
and so i was working on a book

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finalizing a book

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00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,799
on the robertson panel and the civil

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rights implications of their

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of their watching um

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00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,079
you know people who are interested in

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00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,000
ufos and uh

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00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,400
the debunking that they did and i was

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00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,119
attacking that not from the ufo site

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00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:57,119
but from the civil rights side so i was

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working on that

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00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,480
and then i just dropped that like a bad

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habit and just

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started writing this and i had a a core

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00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,599
group of people that helped me out

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00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:10,319
and sort of steered me in the right

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00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:11,280
direction

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00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:15,440
uh lucy uh

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00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:23,750
yvonne smith uh robert salas

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00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,200
robert hastings and don schmidt

1220
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,760
later weighed in and really were helpful

1221
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,319
you know just a few emails but

1222
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:34,160
really pointed me in the right direction

1223
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,359
on a few things

1224
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,680
and so you know i just pretty much

1225
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dropped everything and

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00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:41,599
you know i don't play golf and i don't

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you know

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i don't drive a sports car or whatever i

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00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:46,880
you know and it was covered so what a

1230
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,119
great time to just sit and write and so

1231
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,520
i spent four months putting four or five

1232
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:53,599
months putting this together

1233
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:57,680
and uh but put it together

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00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,200
not from the typical perspective like

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00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,599
uh probably the template book is the

1236
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,160
dull ends after disclosure

1237
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,200
but uh i put it together

1238
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:12,000
no knowing what i know about elected

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00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,200
officials

1240
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:14,880
and how they would approach us telling

1241
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,119
them you know you're crazy you

1242
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,799
you know they're flying all around us

1243
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:20,799
can't you see them

1244
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:24,880
instead i gave them things like

1245
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:28,640
okay you've had 70 years of

1246
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:32,640
congress being warned off this stuff

1247
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,119
and you've never had an actual witness

1248
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,920
an actual witness now we have all these

1249
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:41,520
military pilots

1250
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:45,040
military officers uh technical people

1251
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,240
and radar

1252
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:48,319
you know that that can tell you what

1253
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,440
that radar

1254
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:52,160
tape said that was taken by a guy in a

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00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,799
suit

1256
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,960
that got back on a helicopter and flew

1257
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:56,720
off of the deck of uh

1258
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,079
the nimitz you know so

1259
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:02,559
they have actual witnesses and so you

1260
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:03,520
you know

1261
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:06,559
just talking to air force

1262
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,160
people or navy you know higher brass

1263
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:12,720
is not going to help them but if you put

1264
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:13,520
if we can

1265
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:16,720
get you know people uh

1266
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:19,599
in the seat of congress you know sitting

1267
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,480
in front of them

1268
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:23,119
whether it's open or closed session and

1269
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,240
giving them

1270
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:27,040
what they saw you know that kind of

1271
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,160
testimony

1272
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:30,240
think about over the last few years

1273
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:33,200
whenever because congress has so many

1274
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:36,559
you know hearings that are now live

1275
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:39,680
how some witnesses you know the dramatic

1276
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:41,839
testament let the kavanaugh hearing

1277
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:44,079
their dramatic testimony

1278
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:48,319
of um the woman that accused

1279
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,000
kavanaugh of uh harassment

1280
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,640
you know you can't i don't care how many

1281
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:56,240
documents you present

1282
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:58,160
that kind of stuff resonates they're

1283
01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:59,920
people

1284
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:02,720
on that level and so it really helps

1285
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:04,720
let's take our break right here our

1286
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:05,520
guest tonight

1287
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:08,319
attorney james lowe we're talking about

1288
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:09,359
his new book

1289
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:12,799
that will be eventually published

1290
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:15,920
for everybody to have access to and we

1291
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,880
will continue

1292
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:18,559
this conversation when we come back the

1293
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,280
book is called ufo briefing book a guide

1294
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,280
to congressional oversight

1295
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,680
of the uap phenomenon i'm your host

1296
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:26,720
jimmy church

1297
01:01:38,670 --> 01:01:28,400
more with jim when we come back after

1298
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:38,680
this short break stay with us

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01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:41,770
[Applause]

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with jimmy church who holds the lucky

1415
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,200
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1416
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1417
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:13,039
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1418
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:14,000
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1419
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,680
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1420
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:17,760
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1421
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:18,000
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1422
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1423
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1424
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,160
welcome back paid to black i'm heroes

1425
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:46,640
jimmy church tonight attorney

1426
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,799
james lowe is with us we're talking

1427
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,400
about his new book

1428
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:52,799
it's gonna be published it's printing

1429
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:54,960
tomorrow i'll keep everybody

1430
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:57,839
updated uh when the book will be

1431
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:00,319
available but uh uh

1432
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:03,280
this is an oak okay this is an important

1433
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:03,920
part

1434
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:07,119
of the conversation tonight as i

1435
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,240
read through your executive summary

1436
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,720
there was something that stuck out to me

1437
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:14,480
there was a lot of things that stuck out

1438
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,160
but one of them is this um if we go

1439
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:21,680
back and most people don't realize that

1440
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:24,880
uh 2004 and you present this

1441
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:28,480
so well even for me it opened up my eyes

1442
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:33,359
um that 2004 is 30 years ago

1443
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,079
and or nearly 30 years ago that's a very

1444
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,000
important point to bring up because

1445
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,799
now we have to jump back into history

1446
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:42,799
and discuss this and for some of the

1447
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:44,559
members on the senate intelligence

1448
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,000
committee

1449
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:48,000
they were probably still in high school

1450
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:50,799
in 2004 and didn't really realize

1451
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:54,000
uh or remember their history

1452
01:08:02,710 --> 01:07:58,559
but you you present this because today

1453
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:02,720
some of the arguments presented

1454
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:06,160
about the nimitz and later the roosevelt

1455
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:09,280
is that it could be adversarial

1456
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:12,319
it could be china and it could be russia

1457
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:13,680
technology

1458
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:15,839
uh invading our airspace and that

1459
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:17,440
presents a lot of

1460
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:20,799
difficult issues out in front of us and

1461
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,759
this is a position that i have also

1462
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:24,799
taken

1463
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:29,040
here jim

1464
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:32,319
but you back up and you start to uh

1465
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:33,759
briefly

1466
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:36,080
lay out history and what was going on

1467
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:37,040
with china

1468
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:40,239
at that time going back to the late 70s

1469
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,359
to the present day

1470
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,600
and including russia and what those

1471
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:45,600
countries were going through

1472
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:48,719
and the possibility of them having the

1473
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:52,880
investment to jump in to break and write

1474
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,480
their own new laws of physics right

1475
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:59,279
and to bust into this technology and and

1476
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:00,159
leapfrog

1477
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,440
up in front of us and

1478
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:05,440
that would have been virtually

1479
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,640
impossible

1480
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:09,279
now that's something that hasn't quite

1481
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,159
been

1482
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:12,159
uh not only presented or talked about in

1483
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,600
the ufo community

1484
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:15,199
but this is something that the senate

1485
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:19,120
intelligence committee needs to read

1486
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,239
the way you look at this

1487
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:24,960
is and i've spent most of my time in the

1488
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:27,440
book talking about the nimitz instead of

1489
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:28,400
the

1490
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:32,000
uh roosevelt because it was 17 years ago

1491
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:35,920
and if oh i said 30 years

1492
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:38,799
17 years uh i was i was thinking about

1493
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:39,839
the

1494
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:43,120
soviet union

1495
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:46,319
yep yep yep yep and um

1496
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:51,199
but okay what public testimony has been

1497
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:54,400
from former navy uh

1498
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:57,920
personnel on this is that there were

1499
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,800
there were possibly 50 of these tic tacs

1500
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:02,080
40 foot wide

1501
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:06,400
tic tacs flying around and so

1502
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,679
you not only okay think of all the

1503
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,080
technology you'd have to

1504
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:14,480
you know come up with just to

1505
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:15,520
manufacture

1506
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,159
one of those let alone bring them into

1507
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:20,080
operation because the way they were

1508
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,320
operating off the coast of san diego

1509
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:26,880
is it had to be something that was

1510
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:29,600
already in it wasn't a prototype

1511
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:32,640
and so i i keep using the

1512
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:36,000
the the nimitz example i have a personal

1513
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:39,280
experience of the nimitz but also the

1514
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:43,360
the nimitz means that they've if

1515
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,159
the report as it was written you know as

1516
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,840
the questions were written by marco

1517
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:49,840
rubio i think with the help of

1518
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:53,280
probably luis elizondo

1519
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,159
would be my guess uh and maybe uh

1520
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,199
chris mellon um that

1521
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:03,760
they they ask questions normally with

1522
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,199
ufos we look at it

1523
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,320
are they alien or are they not we're

1524
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:10,880
if you start with the premise that it's

1525
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:13,280
a possible threat to the military

1526
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:16,400
it's you know we have a chance if

1527
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:18,640
the russians or the chinese actually had

1528
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,600
this

1529
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,520
we'd be speaking russian or chinese

1530
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:23,760
right now you know because they would

1531
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:24,400
just take

1532
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,440
take over and so i wanted to go back and

1533
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,760
i always have a caveat in the book that

1534
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,159
you know i may be wrong because of co

1535
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,040
classified information i'm not aware of

1536
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,320
but when you look at okay take china for

1537
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:40,080
example 1978

1538
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:44,080
they emerged from their uh isolation and

1539
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:44,719
tried to

1540
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:47,920
and started their capitalist bent

1541
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:51,520
uh and so

1542
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:54,080
pretty much they were an inwardly

1543
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:54,960
looking

1544
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,679
consumer society until within the last

1545
01:12:02,709 --> 01:11:59,600
10 or 15 years

1546
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,719
so by 2004 they're going to have 50 tic

1547
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:03,840
tacs

1548
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:06,159
when when when they just built their

1549
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:07,520
first aircraft carrier

1550
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:10,480
a couple years ago come on and then look

1551
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,600
at russia

1552
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:13,520
after the fall of the soviet union that

1553
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,719
you know the time period you were

1554
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:16,719
talking about

1555
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:19,520
we had to go in and help the russians

1556
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:20,480
secure their

1557
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:24,239
own weapons now does that mean

1558
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,840
the reason they did that is because

1559
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,679
there's this massive

1560
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:30,239
reverse engineering of ufos going on and

1561
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,040
they could

1562
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,600
manufacture them i don't think so but

1563
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:36,080
they have to look at that because

1564
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,440
even though it's a very remote

1565
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,440
possibility

1566
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:41,280
the committees are there to look at

1567
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,120
threats and so

1568
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:45,280
let's call the let's call the military

1569
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:46,800
and the intelligence community

1570
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:49,280
call their bluff show us what the threat

1571
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:50,239
is

1572
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:53,280
no no no vague there's something out

1573
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:54,239
there

1574
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:57,360
and we need to defend against it tell us

1575
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,719
the not us but the senators and the

1576
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:02,880
congressmen tell them what it is

1577
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:05,920
because you're asking them for our money

1578
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,040
to do this and so you've got a deal

1579
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:12,480
you know we always skip ahead to the ufo

1580
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,480
issue you know you know the the

1581
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:17,280
non-terrestrial issue

1582
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:19,199
but we actually have to start with where

1583
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,800
the military is they're worried about

1584
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:21,920
threats that

1585
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,960
you know investigate that you're our

1586
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:27,120
you're our you're here to protect us we

1587
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,640
elect you to protect us

1588
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:30,880
investigate that if it turns out it's

1589
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:31,760
not the case

1590
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,560
go on to the next issue you know in fact

1591
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:36,159
i also talk about

1592
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:40,000
what if everyone's misinformed maybe

1593
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:41,600
we're all delusional

1594
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:44,480
including the navy pilots you know look

1595
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:47,280
down that road you know carl young

1596
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:50,719
in his book uh ufos of modern myth

1597
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:53,760
said that you know

1598
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:56,880
he said that donald kehoe was

1599
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:59,600
you know had the right attitude about

1600
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,000
whether

1601
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,400
they're real or not but he thought it

1602
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,159
would be better for me

1603
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,719
if they weren't because it would prove

1604
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:08,640
that there's a collective consciousness

1605
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,719
because everyone's having this

1606
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,400
all over it's one of the most

1607
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,080
eye-opening pages in that

1608
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,560
book that you're referencing right there

1609
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:18,880
i i read that over and over again

1610
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:21,440
uh very strong who knew young was

1611
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:22,800
writing about ufos

1612
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,800
too that was that was the other thing

1613
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:26,320
now um

1614
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:30,239
but we need to get a grasp on

1615
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:33,600
i'm not so sure what these three videos

1616
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,080
show

1617
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:36,960
i don't know if it's alien uh and et or

1618
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,679
if it's us

1619
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,199
or if it's russian shot i don't know

1620
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:41,280
there's not enough information in that

1621
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,480
those videos we have the support of the

1622
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:46,400
pilots and the crew

1623
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,679
um and the radar but we have all of that

1624
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,280
the supporting

1625
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,560
a testimony that helps us get through

1626
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:56,960
what these three videos may or may not

1627
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:57,840
show

1628
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,480
without that testimony the videos are

1629
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:02,800
just videos and they show nothing at all

1630
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:07,040
exactly right now for for you to

1631
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:10,480
take this a step further with this lens

1632
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,520
suggesting that there is no way that in

1633
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,360
2004 there could have been

1634
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,600
programs like this inside of china no

1635
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:19,520
matter what we think of china and russia

1636
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:20,560
today

1637
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:23,360
we need to back things up and see what

1638
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,080
the status

1639
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:27,040
was of their economy and what was going

1640
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:27,440
on

1641
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,320
in those countries at that time to

1642
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:32,480
develop anything like this

1643
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:35,600
that could then be seen in 2004. that's

1644
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:38,560
a very compelling argument

1645
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,480
well it if you break it down

1646
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:45,360
you know you know you going through the

1647
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:46,239
questions

1648
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,760
that were asked by marco rubio and

1649
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,600
whoever helped him

1650
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,199
because they never do these things alone

1651
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:55,760
they always have help

1652
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,840
they're pretty good questions you know

1653
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,360
it's it's not

1654
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:01,600
it's not the end questions it's the

1655
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:04,239
beginning questions

1656
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:07,840
and one of my fascinations with this

1657
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:08,640
whole thing

1658
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:13,120
is think back to 2020

1659
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,280
between january and july when or

1660
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:20,000
june when this came out in through

1661
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:21,199
august

1662
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:24,480
in january at the end of january a bunch

1663
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:25,120
of

1664
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:28,159
ufo researchers like john greenwald

1665
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:31,280
and others received letters telling them

1666
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:32,800
they're not giving them the video

1667
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:35,600
the real the videos because all we have

1668
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:36,560
are these fuzzy

1669
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:39,520
fuzzy versions of them they're not

1670
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:40,480
giving them

1671
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:42,320
in one of the letters it wasn't a john

1672
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,400
green ball but one of the letters said

1673
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:46,239
that if they gave him it would be a

1674
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:49,760
grave danger to national security

1675
01:16:54,350 --> 01:16:53,040
that's pretty heavy duty yet two months

1676
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:54,360
later they released them and

1677
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:56,239
declassified them

1678
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,560
three months later they told us about

1679
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:00,880
the uap task force

1680
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:03,440
four months later five months later you

1681
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:06,080
know marco rubio pushed this

1682
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:08,320
in august of that year they took

1683
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:09,440
probably

1684
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:12,960
the most talented person in in the poll

1685
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:15,199
in the civilian side of the defense

1686
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:16,000
department under

1687
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:19,199
trump david norquist and put him in

1688
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:20,880
charge of this

1689
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:23,440
and so whatever you know historians a

1690
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:25,120
hundred years from now

1691
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,800
are going to be looking at that six

1692
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:29,120
month period what the hell changed

1693
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:32,320
there was this 75-year

1694
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,199
history of them being able to put the

1695
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:37,600
genie back in the bottle

1696
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,920
and all of a sudden it all fell apart on

1697
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:40,640
them

1698
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:43,040
and that gave us the opening that we

1699
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,000
have

1700
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:46,800
and so we need to run with this opening

1701
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:47,360
now

1702
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:50,400
uh they're

1703
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,880
they're monsanto has got their lobbyists

1704
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:54,480
right the pharmaceutical

1705
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,070
huge funding lobbyists it's it's

1706
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:05,120
it's the job everybody wants in in in

1707
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:07,040
washington d.c

1708
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:09,679
uh huge amounts of money is spent on

1709
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:11,040
this

1710
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:13,760
but you bring up the best point the ufo

1711
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:14,480
community

1712
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,719
and anybody that is interested in this

1713
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:18,080
subject we don't have that kind of

1714
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,280
representation

1715
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:22,320
this is all completely one-sided

1716
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:26,159
what can congress do to

1717
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,880
take control of all of this and

1718
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,159
hopefully

1719
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,040
get other information coming to them do

1720
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:35,360
we have to get a lobbying effort

1721
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:38,800
from the ufo community to to push and to

1722
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:39,120
get

1723
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:42,159
to the staffers and and gain some

1724
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:44,080
influence

1725
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:48,480
well we need a grassroots

1726
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:52,159
level issue a very good friend of mine

1727
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:55,920
for years was uh senator boxer's

1728
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,000
uh state uh director and

1729
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:03,360
it's amazing as a

1730
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,040
state of at the time was 33 million

1731
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:09,199
and if they got a hundred letters oh my

1732
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:10,159
god

1733
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:13,120
you know that was a big deal and so it

1734
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,159
doesn't take much

1735
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:16,320
i i would we don't have the money for

1736
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:17,600
lobbyists

1737
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,000
we don't have a national organization

1738
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:22,800
that has the wherewithal to do this

1739
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,920
like like monsanto and the american

1740
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:28,000
chemical association

1741
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:31,520
um so letter writing is probably and

1742
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:32,000
that's

1743
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:34,480
i i'm real curious of what your audience

1744
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:36,000
thinks about this

1745
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:39,199
um but we need i would think we need a

1746
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:41,040
letter writing campaign where everyone

1747
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:43,520
writes to their local congressman

1748
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:45,840
you know i've started working on some

1749
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,360
form letters

1750
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:49,199
and uh they're pretty you know steve

1751
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:51,040
bassett probably is pretty pretty good

1752
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:52,239
at that too

1753
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,159
um i i'm not a lobbyist

1754
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:59,760
and but we need to do something we don't

1755
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:00,960
have money

1756
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:04,159
and we need an organization or

1757
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:08,000
some sort of effort to have the

1758
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:10,000
grassroots tell people

1759
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,199
because what's going to happen is

1760
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,520
they're going to look at okay they're

1761
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:17,120
going to look at the next election

1762
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,560
2022 and is this going to help me or

1763
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:22,080
hurt me

1764
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:25,040
and if if we don't have you know

1765
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:26,719
everyone sitting back with their arms

1766
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:28,400
folded i'm sitting here with my arms

1767
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:29,600
folded i

1768
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,400
don't mean to you know telegraph that

1769
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,239
but uh

1770
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:36,239
if everyone sits back and hopes they do

1771
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:37,280
the right thing

1772
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,520
nothing's gonna happen you know we're

1773
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,360
just gonna be back in the same spot

1774
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,120
we're gonna be charlie brown with the

1775
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:45,199
football pulled away from us again by

1776
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:46,800
lucy

1777
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:50,639
and so you know starting that process i

1778
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:52,639
think is going to be very important

1779
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,760
you know beca probably the most

1780
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,840
effective time will be after the report

1781
01:21:03,590 --> 01:20:59,280
comes out

1782
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:03,600
now is is is congress

1783
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:06,800
is congress in control i mean do they

1784
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:10,400
have the power over

1785
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:13,520
um the pentagon in the military that

1786
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:14,000
they need

1787
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:17,199
to have i that's that's one of my other

1788
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:18,000
concerns

1789
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:20,159
it seems that right now they're they're

1790
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:21,920
getting caught by surprise

1791
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:24,400
with with all of this like they don't

1792
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,400
know what's going on because they don't

1793
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,960
have that authority do they

1794
01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:30,719
well they have they have oversight

1795
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:32,960
authority and they have

1796
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:38,000
uh budgetary control and so

1797
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:40,800
one thing about the positive about this

1798
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:43,600
report is it's it's supposed to tell

1799
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,880
you know who's in charge of this because

1800
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:48,560
you don't know where to send a subpoena

1801
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,000
if you don't know who's in charge

1802
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:53,040
right and so you know

1803
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:54,960
the i think the questions will start

1804
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:57,120
what i call is called an iterative

1805
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:58,400
process

1806
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,000
where one side does something then

1807
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,800
then the other side moves moves the ball

1808
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:06,000
forward

1809
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:10,719
and so a phrase i use

1810
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,760
as often as any of small steps

1811
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:16,000
and it's very frustrating but that's

1812
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:17,760
what we're gonna have to take because

1813
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:18,800
you have you have to look at the

1814
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:20,800
congressmen or the senators

1815
01:22:24,070 --> 01:22:22,719
they don't know most of them don't know

1816
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:24,080
anything about this

1817
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,679
you know there may be a few that have or

1818
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:29,840
you know experiencer and they're just

1819
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:32,320
you know that's buried in their past and

1820
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,679
they're never going to talk about it

1821
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:35,920
because they'll never get elected

1822
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:38,239
so there may be some but a lot of them

1823
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,520
are starting from square

1824
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:41,840
one and so if you start with the

1825
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:44,080
oversight

1826
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:50,310
the common statement is

1827
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:52,159
okay disclosure is going to happen

1828
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,520
because the president's going to hold

1829
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:54,960
the press conference

1830
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,239
and tell everyone well if the president

1831
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:01,199
does that no matter which party because

1832
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:02,320
it's been it's

1833
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:05,280
this is bipartisan you know both wanting

1834
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,480
to know more

1835
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,960
and wanting to hide you know it's been

1836
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:10,480
back to truman and

1837
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:13,920
maybe in roosevelt too um

1838
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:17,360
so what you need to do is

1839
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:20,800
a president if they say say we're going

1840
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,840
to disclose

1841
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,480
you know non-terrestrial craft or

1842
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:26,239
visiting us

1843
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:29,199
well if they just do it on their own the

1844
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:31,199
other side whether it's republican or

1845
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:32,880
democrat are just going to tear them

1846
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:33,600
apart

1847
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:36,400
because now they own whatever goes wrong

1848
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:37,440
because of this

1849
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:41,360
yes and so you need to have bipartisan

1850
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:42,960
support on this and so that's one of the

1851
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:45,360
reasons i'm writing to everybody

1852
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:48,400
you know devin nunes and

1853
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:51,679
you know um the no i can't

1854
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:54,719
uh not schmidt uh

1855
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:57,440
adam schiff adam schiff yeah you're

1856
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,320
gonna have you know

1857
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:00,320
they may not be speaking to each other

1858
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:02,080
but on this issue

1859
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,679
you know they're going to have you know

1860
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:05,600
if if we don't get some bipartisan

1861
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,400
support

1862
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,560
neither side's going to jump you know

1863
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:10,800
they have to jump off together

1864
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,679
you know and and so you're suggesting

1865
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:15,679
also then with the oversight you know

1866
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,600
the power of the pen

1867
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,760
the power of budgets the power of who

1868
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:21,840
gets what money

1869
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:24,560
and so that's a that's an incentive for

1870
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:25,440
the

1871
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:28,159
uh defense and intelligence community

1872
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:29,440
because right now

1873
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:30,639
you know you have to you have to

1874
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:32,639
remember we got a really bad budget

1875
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:33,920
deficit

1876
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:36,400
and so cuts are going to have to be made

1877
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:37,679
and so

1878
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:40,480
you know pet programs could disappear

1879
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:40,960
and

1880
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:44,400
uh so congress you know we have a

1881
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:44,960
president

1882
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:48,159
right now that is really a senator who's

1883
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:49,600
become president

1884
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:52,639
i mean the senate is his home

1885
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,000
he's lived there his adult life and so

1886
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:58,880
you know that talking with and he he's

1887
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:01,679
he's good with senators on both sides

1888
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:04,320
and so that's the you know the senate

1889
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,199
won't

1890
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,920
disclose you know that we've got

1891
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:10,320
non-terrestrial visitors

1892
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:13,760
but they can push on this

1893
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:16,960
so uh we can have the defense and

1894
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,800
intelligence community actually let them

1895
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,320
know what's going on

1896
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:23,040
and the more and that's a that's a you

1897
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:23,840
know

1898
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,880
what's the uh weezer that's the sweater

1899
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:28,480
you pull the sweater and it's gonna keep

1900
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:29,440
coming apart

1901
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,560
right yeah and so you know with them

1902
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:34,320
pushing from one side

1903
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:36,000
it's really hard to put this back in the

1904
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,600
bottle

1905
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:39,840
but because they've already said these

1906
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:42,320
three videos are valid

1907
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:45,600
so the question is uh whether or not we

1908
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,440
can push beyond that

1909
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,840
so at least it's it's a good start but

1910
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,880
we've got to go much

1911
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:53,199
farther than that and so having the

1912
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,639
senate and

1913
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,719
and house intelligence and armed

1914
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:57,920
services committee

1915
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:01,760
on our side will push the military and

1916
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,280
intelligence community

1917
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:06,000
which thereby you know the budget comes

1918
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:07,600
from the white house from the office of

1919
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:09,440
management and budget

1920
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:12,480
and so you know

1921
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,960
we have to there's going to have to be

1922
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:17,120
some dynamics behind the scenes

1923
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:20,159
now there's um another

1924
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:23,600
uh part to this that i think

1925
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:31,030
that they're gonna get surprised and i'm

1926
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:32,639
talking about the senate intelligence

1927
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:33,280
committee

1928
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:36,880
and and both houses very quickly here

1929
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:40,159
when they start to hear about

1930
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,520
some of these incidents that have gone

1931
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:45,920
on have been completely covered up just

1932
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:47,600
like any other scandal

1933
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:50,080
right that starts to break where they're

1934
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,600
going to find out that

1935
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,000
the military branches have been going in

1936
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,560
with every incident that has gone on

1937
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,239
you know grabbing the radar data

1938
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:00,719
grabbing the computer data grabbing the

1939
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,000
the video anything else as digital pull

1940
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:06,480
that out take it out tell everybody to

1941
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:07,440
shut up

1942
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:09,920
your careers are on the line and where

1943
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:10,880
this has happened

1944
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:14,000
over and over again and specifically

1945
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:17,280
with uh the nimitz and the roosevelt

1946
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:18,480
where they're going to go well we didn't

1947
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,040
know about this right and

1948
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:23,520
and they have chosen not to talk about

1949
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:24,960
it

1950
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:28,239
i'm talking about uh washington dc they

1951
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:30,400
don't want to address the ufo issue

1952
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:31,840
and then all of a sudden this stuff

1953
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,600
starts happening now

1954
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,280
they're gonna have to ask the questions

1955
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:37,600
this has really been going on and nobody

1956
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:39,840
knew about it

1957
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:42,400
right and one of the things one of the

1958
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:44,239
angles i push

1959
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,920
is that let's say they're not a threat

1960
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,679
let's say that they find out they're not

1961
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:51,600
a threat well the way

1962
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:54,560
that the the way that these ufo

1963
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,199
encounters

1964
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:57,600
including the recent american airlines

1965
01:28:02,709 --> 01:27:59,679
won over new mexico

1966
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:02,719
you know you have lots of close passes

1967
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:06,320
and so i i use as the example

1968
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:11,760
the 1948

1969
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:15,120
p51 mantel

1970
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:18,000
the mantel case where you had an

1971
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:19,199
experienced

1972
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,120
pilot that flew in world war ii in korea

1973
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:26,560
and he went up

1974
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:29,120
to 20 000 feet without oxygen and then

1975
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:30,000
died

1976
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,239
you know whether he was shot down by a

1977
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:34,560
ufo or he just crashed

1978
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:37,280
and so good pilots if they're not

1979
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:38,960
trained for something

1980
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:41,120
they can do dumb things you know we all

1981
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:42,719
do if we

1982
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:45,920
have an unexpected situation so you've

1983
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,719
got a

1984
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:49,120
one of the pilots on the roosevelt

1985
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:50,320
talked about a close

1986
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:54,080
pass there was a wing of two planes

1987
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:57,199
and the ufo passed between them now what

1988
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,639
if one of them had just

1989
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:00,719
flicked the controls because he panicked

1990
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:02,880
over it because he had this ufo coming

1991
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:03,600
at him at

1992
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,560
you know 3 000 miles an hour you could

1993
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:08,800
have had a mid-air collision

1994
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:11,840
and so i i emphasize that

1995
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,719
this if nothing else this is a safety

1996
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:16,239
issue for the uh

1997
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:19,760
for the military yeah and for civilians

1998
01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:20,080
too

1999
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:22,840
yeah absolutely well american airlines

2000
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:25,760
2292 certainly presented that

2001
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:28,239
uh that was uh and i don't think we've

2002
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:28,800
heard the

2003
01:29:33,669 --> 01:29:30,800
end of that and it's interesting that

2004
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,679
the fbi is now investigating

2005
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,920
uh i'm going to take a quick break right

2006
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:37,600
here our guest tonight we've got a lot

2007
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,000
more

2008
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:40,320
to talk about and uh we're gonna

2009
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continue the deep

2010
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:44,719
dive this is fade to black and i do uh

2011
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:46,639
what is interesting about the show

2012
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,000
tonight jim

2013
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:50,239
is uh our dear friend between the two of

2014
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:51,600
us lucinda

2015
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:54,800
uh invited us out to dinner the next

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01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:56,000
thing you know

2017
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:57,920
we're doing this show tonight so i want

2018
01:30:02,229 --> 01:29:59,040
to i want to give

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01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,239
lucinda all the credit in the world

2020
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:04,639
uh for allowing us to have dinner and

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01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:06,719
drinks the other night this is fade to

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black i

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am your host jimmy church more of jim

2024
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lowe after this short break stay with us

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oh hi i'm reese vance you're listening

2078
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to jimmy church

2079
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:54,239
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2080
01:33:06,830 --> 01:32:55,600
not be televised

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ciao

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[Music]

2083
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:43,270
welcome back fade to black i am your

2084
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:44,719
host jimmy church our guest tonight

2085
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:46,400
attorney jim lowe we're going to get

2086
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2087
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they have a strict no log policy built

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up for your privacy protection virtual

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2102
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your internet service provider from

2103
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2107
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2108
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01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:54,320
vpn do it now our guest tonight jim lowe

2114
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:57,760
a retired attorney he's got a new book

2115
01:35:03,109 --> 01:35:00,000
that is being printed now i will keep

2116
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:03,119
everybody posted on its availability

2117
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:05,679
and we're discussing this in advance of

2118
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:06,560
the uap

2119
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:09,199
task force report to congress that is

2120
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:09,600
due

2121
01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:13,360
allegedly on june 25th of this year now

2122
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:15,119
jim i'm going to quote

2123
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:18,080
a section of the book here really quick

2124
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:19,440
if you don't mind

2125
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:22,560
um and it just stood out

2126
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:24,960
and you write and i quote as you say

2127
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:26,960
since 1955

2128
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:29,360
when senator richard russell refused to

2129
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:30,480
talk to the press

2130
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:33,679
at the request of the military

2131
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:36,239
successive congresses have followed the

2132
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:36,960
silent

2133
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:40,400
pattern it has been 65 years since

2134
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:43,520
senator russell said it was not

2135
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:46,800
the right time to talk about the

2136
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:48,320
phenomenon

2137
01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:51,119
things have not changed have they no

2138
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:52,400
they haven't

2139
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:55,119
and uh that quote of that quote is just

2140
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:55,600
i mean

2141
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:58,320
the senators come their office is in the

2142
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:01,280
russell office building

2143
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:04,560
and uh so when is the right time

2144
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:08,400
65 years and uh

2145
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:11,440
you also state in the book uh

2146
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:14,400
that the official policy of the military

2147
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:14,800
and

2148
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:17,119
intelligence communities has been that

2149
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:19,280
all ufo uap claims

2150
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:22,840
uh are made by the people who are one

2151
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:26,719
mistaken to just outright hoaxing or

2152
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:27,600
lying

2153
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:31,840
or three delusional that they're crazy

2154
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:34,000
and this has been the official policy

2155
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:34,960
hasn't it

2156
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:38,480
yes it is since uh at least on this

2157
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:41,360
civilian side since 1953 with the

2158
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:43,600
robertson panel

2159
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:46,719
now uh how do we how do we

2160
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:50,400
has has the tide turned on that

2161
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:53,520
or how do we force the issue because

2162
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:55,840
millions of people millions of reports

2163
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:58,000
millions of civilians

2164
01:37:01,990 --> 01:37:00,480
around the world are not delusional

2165
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:02,000
right they're not

2166
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,000
mistaken they're not some are hoaxing

2167
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:08,719
that's for sure some are hoaxing there's

2168
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:11,280
a lot of stuff on strings out there

2169
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:14,400
uh uh and taking pictures

2170
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:16,719
uh we know that that that takes place

2171
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:17,600
okay sure

2172
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:21,119
um but uh millions of people

2173
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:24,320
that including myself and yourself are

2174
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:26,880
not crazy are we

2175
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:30,080
i hope not uh i don't think i am and i

2176
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,840
and i've talked to so many people who've

2177
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:33,360
experienced things

2178
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:36,560
just like me and so the the key

2179
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:39,600
is getting them to

2180
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:43,040
look at the issue and going through the

2181
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:44,639
evidence themselves

2182
01:37:48,149 --> 01:37:47,360
instead of relying and because in the

2183
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,159
book i go

2184
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:50,159
through the part i didn't get to send

2185
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:51,280
you unfortunately

2186
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:53,520
it was with the publisher and i couldn't

2187
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:54,719
give you the

2188
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:58,560
the until i got it myself but um

2189
01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:01,920
i go through a history of different

2190
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:04,239
interactions between congress

2191
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:08,000
members and the military and trying to

2192
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:10,239
get the information and they've been

2193
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:12,560
basically stiff-armed

2194
01:38:20,950 --> 01:38:16,560
for you know 70 years now 75 years

2195
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:20,960
and because i i i don't start at 1947 i

2196
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:23,360
start in 1942

2197
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:29,590
incident started during world war ii and

2198
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:30,080
if you

2199
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:33,520
look at uh one of the videos from the

2200
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,560
roosevelt it it's a foo fighter

2201
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:38,560
it is it is literally one of the foo

2202
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:40,000
fighters

2203
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:44,400
now is there um

2204
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:48,719
are there reasons uh to keep

2205
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:52,320
okay let me back up i asked you directly

2206
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:55,679
uh last week um that

2207
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:57,040
one of the things that i found

2208
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:00,000
interesting in the verbiage of the bill

2209
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:03,760
was that the report was

2210
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,040
it was just an informal request

2211
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:09,520
that it now this is my interpretation

2212
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:10,560
okay

2213
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:12,800
um that it wasn't law there was nothing

2214
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:14,800
binding nobody has to write anything

2215
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:16,000
they could probably

2216
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,480
ignore it and and there's not going to

2217
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:20,080
be any penalty here that's my

2218
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:21,520
interpretation

2219
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:24,560
but also reading the verbiage

2220
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:26,719
it says that there is going to be the

2221
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:28,000
public

2222
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:30,800
version of the report but there will

2223
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:31,600
also be

2224
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:35,760
a classified section of the report

2225
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:39,360
now is there is there a strong reason to

2226
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,000
do that

2227
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,719
at this point should it all be public or

2228
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:44,719
are there reasons to have

2229
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,639
a classified section here which is

2230
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:48,320
probably going to have the good stuff

2231
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:51,440
and we'll never know well

2232
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:53,760
i think we'll eventually know but the

2233
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:55,760
reason

2234
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:58,320
all through the book i say it doesn't

2235
01:40:01,669 --> 01:39:59,360
matter

2236
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:01,679
whether it's in the classified appendix

2237
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:03,679
or in the public version of the report

2238
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:05,199
as long as the senators and the

2239
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:07,520
congressmen see it themselves

2240
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:10,560
and then call witnesses or

2241
01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:13,280
follow up on it stop stop right there

2242
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,199
stop stop stop right there

2243
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:17,760
i've gotta interrupt is there a

2244
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,360
possibility

2245
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:21,600
that that classified section of the

2246
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:22,719
report

2247
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:25,760
is not viewable by the senate

2248
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:28,400
intelligence committee

2249
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:32,239
uh well then it would in no they would

2250
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:35,600
they're cleared to get that information

2251
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:37,520
so they should be it's you know

2252
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:39,440
everything should be in there

2253
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:42,320
now the question is what everything is

2254
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:44,080
and how much they give them

2255
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:47,040
i i talk about i think what's going to

2256
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:48,239
happen is

2257
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:51,040
they will give them bread crumbs and

2258
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:52,239
that they have to keep

2259
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:55,360
following up on it and so in that

2260
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:57,199
classified section there will be

2261
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:58,719
they're not going to come out and say

2262
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:00,639
yeah they're non-terrestrial we've been

2263
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:02,960
hiding it from you for a long time

2264
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:06,000
and we've killed people you know to keep

2265
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:07,119
it secret

2266
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:10,239
and uh niner you know that's not gonna

2267
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:10,960
happen

2268
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:14,080
what they'll do is they'll say well we

2269
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:16,719
we're looking into it you know the under

2270
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:18,560
previous administration

2271
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:22,000
x and y happened but what i

2272
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:26,239
what my purpose is is to give

2273
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:29,280
the elected official some

2274
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:32,560
ideas on how to ferret that information

2275
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:33,679
out

2276
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:36,880
well okay so is there

2277
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:40,080
going to be in your estimation

2278
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:43,440
is there enough uh information

2279
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:45,440
in the classified section you just

2280
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,040
suggested breadcrumbs

2281
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,920
and that that i believe right the

2282
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,840
frustration is going to set in

2283
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:53,679
but will there be enough in the

2284
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:55,119
classified section

2285
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:58,159
of this report for

2286
01:42:01,830 --> 01:42:00,400
rubio and the other members of the

2287
01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:01,840
senate intelligence

2288
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:05,440
committee to see the panoramic

2289
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:08,800
version of what is going on

2290
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:12,080
i doubt it i would hope so but i doubt

2291
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:12,560
it

2292
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:15,760
and so i have an entire chapter in the

2293
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:16,960
book

2294
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:21,040
on the types of tools administrative

2295
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:23,040
tools they can use

2296
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:26,400
to ferret out the information

2297
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:29,760
i talk about uh having

2298
01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:36,790
action taken to interpret

2299
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:39,440
what are sources and methods which are

2300
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:42,239
the things that they always hide behind

2301
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:45,760
and how they can reinterpret that

2302
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:49,040
i suggest when you say they are you

2303
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:50,719
talking about the military

2304
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:54,880
or or uh intelligence agencies or both

2305
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:56,480
when you say that

2306
01:43:02,070 --> 01:42:59,520
both okay both and so what i'm

2307
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:02,080
what i've done is used my government

2308
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:03,600
experience

2309
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:07,280
to look at existing procedures

2310
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:10,639
that they could use like they could also

2311
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:13,199
put in the like in the next intelligence

2312
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:14,639
bill if they don't get what they want

2313
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,159
they get stiff armed

2314
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:18,800
they put in the next intelligence bill

2315
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:19,440
that

2316
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:22,480
the inspector general and each

2317
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:24,560
each service branch has an inspector

2318
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:26,719
general and each intelligence agency

2319
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:27,440
does

2320
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:29,679
that the inspector general is allowed to

2321
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:30,800
receive

2322
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:33,840
complaints on these

2323
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:36,400
issues to bring them forward to congress

2324
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:36,960
because

2325
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:39,360
it if congress doesn't know what's going

2326
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:40,080
on

2327
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:42,880
it it's probably waste fraud and abuse

2328
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,719
that the money is not being spent the

2329
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:46,880
way the congress sent it to them

2330
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:50,960
and so i use tricks

2331
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:55,920
like whistleblower statutes

2332
01:44:02,470 --> 01:43:58,960
having one idea is to have

2333
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:02,480
a whistleblower statute and have a

2334
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:04,080
five-year

2335
01:44:10,149 --> 01:44:07,119
amnesty program after the vietnam war

2336
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:10,159
gerald ford had an amnesty program for

2337
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:12,239
uh and so people could take advantage if

2338
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:14,320
they followed certain steps

2339
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:17,920
so if someone's in the deep state that

2340
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:21,600
has actually participated in some bad

2341
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:23,199
stuff

2342
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:26,320
you know they if they came forward they

2343
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:28,000
would be protected

2344
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:31,840
and so i have some specifics on that

2345
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:35,360
on how to do that and i'm using

2346
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:38,159
the specifics i'm using existing

2347
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:40,159
legislation so they don't have to do

2348
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:41,440
anything different

2349
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:45,679
because you know every every

2350
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:48,880
agency has an inspector general that is

2351
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:51,679
independent from the rest of the group

2352
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:52,480
and

2353
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:56,320
get security clearances to

2354
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:58,719
go wherever they want and so if we sick

2355
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:00,880
the inspector general on them

2356
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:03,840
you know and you have to remember yeah

2357
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:05,199
it's not the

2358
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:11,440
but this is where they come back for

2359
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:12,800
their budget

2360
01:45:17,590 --> 01:45:15,679
and so oh gee you want that spy plane

2361
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:17,600
you know maybe next year

2362
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,040
you know there's a lot of things that

2363
01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:21,360
can happen you know if it doesn't get

2364
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:22,560
approved because

2365
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:25,679
you have a really narrow margin

2366
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:27,440
you know the democrats all have to stay

2367
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:29,520
together the republicans have to stay

2368
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:30,000
together

2369
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:33,119
plus get one vote you know you've got to

2370
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:34,880
you've got some narrow margins there so

2371
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:36,800
there's there's not a lot of room for

2372
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:39,760
error and so if they if they keep

2373
01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:40,639
stonewalling

2374
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,400
it's going to become apparent and so

2375
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:44,159
that's what i say it's an iterative

2376
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:44,960
process

2377
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:48,239
the report could contain bubkas you know

2378
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:51,520
maybe nothing right and and so

2379
01:45:57,669 --> 01:45:55,199
that i'm assuming that's a possibility

2380
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:57,679
in the way i write what i'm asking them

2381
01:46:03,270 --> 01:45:58,480
to do

2382
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:03,280
is it because is it because the military

2383
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:07,760
is so accustomed so acclimated to

2384
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:10,639
keeping secrets right that's that's what

2385
01:46:14,070 --> 01:46:12,080
they do they

2386
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:14,080
keep it to keep it away from congress

2387
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:15,600
keep it away from the senate keep it

2388
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:18,000
away from the president this stuff

2389
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:21,920
and and they are used to uh autonomy

2390
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:24,320
when it comes to issues that they just

2391
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:26,960
don't want disgust and certainly

2392
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:30,320
the ufo uap et contact

2393
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:33,199
what they no question comes into play

2394
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:34,159
that right there

2395
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:36,960
is on a need to know basis is it at are

2396
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:38,719
we at a turning point now where the

2397
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:39,600
military

2398
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:42,639
is and agencies is

2399
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:45,600
now going to have to reveal something

2400
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:47,600
that they've been very comfortable with

2401
01:46:53,229 --> 01:46:50,880
hiding well what what i

2402
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:53,239
and they do it within classified

2403
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:54,400
compartmentalized

2404
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:56,239
programs that don't speak to each other

2405
01:47:02,229 --> 01:46:57,760
and so i address

2406
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:02,239
that in a couple ways one

2407
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:04,480
i talk about okay you've got these class

2408
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:06,000
side programs that don't talk to each

2409
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:06,560
other

2410
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:10,080
that's why 911 happened is because we

2411
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:12,239
it was an intelligence failure we didn't

2412
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:13,199
know

2413
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:16,639
and so at this point in the report

2414
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:18,800
we don't know if it's you know from

2415
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:20,320
their position

2416
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:23,520
your audience and us we know but from

2417
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:24,960
their position

2418
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:28,159
it could be a threat uh you know against

2419
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:28,800
us

2420
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:32,960
alien force

2421
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:36,560
that is bent on conquest you know

2422
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:40,320
there's enough hollywood movies for that

2423
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:44,560
and so if that's the case

2424
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:47,600
then they're going to need to

2425
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:51,119
be able to hi

2426
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:52,719
they've been hiding that and they may be

2427
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:55,040
hiding it under an executive order

2428
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:57,520
that was approved by you know harry

2429
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:59,920
truman at a point when we really didn't

2430
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:00,719
know

2431
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:04,000
and so one of the things i do is i say

2432
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:07,040
that if you do anything on this any

2433
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:07,920
legislation

2434
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:10,159
at all that you put in language that

2435
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:11,280
notwithstanding

2436
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:13,920
any other executive order or law

2437
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,119
previously

2438
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:17,280
that this supersedes and you can't hide

2439
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:19,280
behind that anymore

2440
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,480
and so you know we by hiding this

2441
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:27,199
if it is a threat then we're talking

2442
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:27,760
about

2443
01:48:34,950 --> 01:48:31,440
leaving our troops who have no idea what

2444
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:34,960
this is about when these things happen

2445
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:37,280
except for ship scuttlebutt or around

2446
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:38,560
the base

2447
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,239
uh nobody's told and so you know

2448
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:44,159
is that what we do with threats is we

2449
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,440
don't tell the

2450
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:47,520
the military so they can get attacked

2451
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:49,040
and not know what to do

2452
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:52,400
well well see this is the thing and

2453
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:54,239
and i brought this up i brought this up

2454
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:55,600
many times i brought it up last night

2455
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:57,040
with steven bassett

2456
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:00,159
i i think i did um in that

2457
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:03,600
i'm wondering if the

2458
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:07,280
captain of the nimitz group

2459
01:49:10,790 --> 01:49:09,199
right and we're talking about submarines

2460
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:10,800
and destroyers and missile carriers and

2461
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:12,239
frigates and

2462
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,800
it's it's a lot of ships it's not just

2463
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:16,960
the nimitz sitting there by itself

2464
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:20,159
but the captain of that group

2465
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:22,960
did he file a report did that get to the

2466
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:24,080
president

2467
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:26,880
did were others aware or was it

2468
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:28,719
completely buried

2469
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:31,440
um and and it didn't get out there at

2470
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:32,239
all

2471
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:34,639
for anybody else to discuss or try to

2472
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:36,800
figure out what is going on

2473
01:49:41,750 --> 01:49:39,119
i think that that oversight needs to go

2474
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:41,760
back and look at this specific incident

2475
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:42,639
and say hey

2476
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,840
who knew what where did it go did the

2477
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:47,520
president know did it make it

2478
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:50,639
into the oval office was he aware

2479
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:53,760
of this incident and if he wasn't

2480
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:57,760
why not yeah george w bush at the time

2481
01:50:02,550 --> 01:49:59,520
and i'll bet he wasn't

2482
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:02,560
yeah because yeah yeah because they you

2483
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:02,960
know

2484
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:06,880
guys in suits get off of helicopters

2485
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:09,840
off the deck of a carrier go in and

2486
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:10,239
they're

2487
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:13,440
in the pulling hard drives yeah

2488
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:16,800
pulling pulling everything taking it and

2489
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:20,080
the uh the captain of the ships telling

2490
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:21,840
them no you don't write a report about

2491
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:22,960
this

2492
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:26,400
and so i i've talked to uh um

2493
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:30,080
at least one uh person that was on

2494
01:50:34,550 --> 01:50:32,800
the uss princeton in the combat

2495
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:34,560
information center

2496
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:38,000
and uh they were told not to do anything

2497
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:41,679
see and that's my point uh that

2498
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:45,840
it takes a hearing where

2499
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:48,639
a committee in this case maybe it's the

2500
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:50,560
senate intelligence committee

2501
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:53,920
pulls in that captain and says

2502
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:56,960
where's your logs for that day

2503
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:58,960
what is it that you entered where's your

2504
01:51:03,430 --> 01:51:01,040
personal diary

2505
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:03,440
what did you say what did you do how was

2506
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:04,639
this handled

2507
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,320
and i think that's very interesting you

2508
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,480
know there's another point

2509
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:10,159
where and i'm looking at the clock i

2510
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:12,000
want to get this in before we get to the

2511
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:13,520
top of the hour because

2512
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:15,040
that's where we're going to talk about

2513
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:16,960
you um next

2514
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:20,080
so get ready for that but um

2515
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:23,360
is this we have

2516
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:26,000
i think that the military and the

2517
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:27,520
agencies right now

2518
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:31,360
are in a race against science

2519
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:34,560
science is pushing things forward at a

2520
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:35,199
very

2521
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:38,239
quick pace things are being revealed

2522
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:41,599
we are looking for alien life out there

2523
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:43,920
in any way that we can find it

2524
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:47,119
and that is going to maybe supersede

2525
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:48,800
what the military has been telling us

2526
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:50,560
all along and

2527
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:52,639
that is another point that you brought

2528
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,400
up in the book and i just thought to

2529
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:56,239
myself that's exactly

2530
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:58,000
what is going on here you can read the

2531
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:00,639
headlines exoplanets and

2532
01:52:04,990 --> 01:52:03,360
space telescopes and deep space and and

2533
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,000
fast radio bursts and

2534
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:08,000
omuamua interstellar objects coming into

2535
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:08,719
play

2536
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:11,280
where something's gonna break on the

2537
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:12,719
science side of things

2538
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:15,280
and the military and the agencies are

2539
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:16,000
going to have a

2540
01:52:21,589 --> 01:52:18,800
lot of questions to answer and that is

2541
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:21,599
what is next isn't it

2542
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:24,960
one of my cover one of my standard

2543
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:26,719
paragraphs and the cover letters i'm

2544
01:52:30,070 --> 01:52:28,960
sending to them i think the hardest part

2545
01:52:33,669 --> 01:52:30,080
is drafting 300

2546
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:33,679
cover letters but uh uh

2547
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:36,000
but what i but in the cover letter i say

2548
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:37,360
that you know

2549
01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:39,599
why am i bringing this up now you got

2550
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:40,719
covered you got

2551
01:52:48,070 --> 01:52:44,880
you got tons of problems in this country

2552
01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:48,080
why now and that's what i say is

2553
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:51,440
on october 31st of this year

2554
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:55,760
the webb telescope's going up and

2555
01:53:01,189 --> 01:52:58,880
once that hits you know it's gonna

2556
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:01,199
it's gonna see something and it'll

2557
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:03,280
probably and there's a good possibility

2558
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:04,560
it could happen

2559
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:07,199
during the 117th congress in other words

2560
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:08,560
before

2561
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:11,599
january 5th uh

2562
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:15,040
20 22 23 23 23 23

2563
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,880
yeah yeah they when they actually are

2564
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:19,440
sworn in right the next congress

2565
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:22,719
and so you know it's just you know

2566
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:25,199
there's a train coming and you can

2567
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:26,960
either be ahead of the parade

2568
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:30,080
or you can be behind it so two things i

2569
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,360
sort of tug at them on is is that is

2570
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:35,280
which side of this parade do you want to

2571
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:36,560
be on

2572
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:38,400
and are you going to be a leader or are

2573
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:40,480
you going to be no don't look there

2574
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:44,480
nothing to see here and the other is

2575
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:47,360
you know it's the naval people in the

2576
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,119
air force people and the army people

2577
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:53,119
if they're if it's kept in the secret

2578
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:55,280
and something happens

2579
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:57,599
you're letting the troops down and

2580
01:54:03,270 --> 01:53:59,679
that's one thing elected officials

2581
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:03,280
you know to a person they do care about

2582
01:54:07,350 --> 01:54:05,440
the individuals they may not care about

2583
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:07,360
this or that or whatever

2584
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,520
but they care about their constituents

2585
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:11,840
because every one of them has

2586
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:15,520
you know armed you know constituents and

2587
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:16,560
so

2588
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:23,760
besides ufos is i wouldn't want to have

2589
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:24,960
a military gut

2590
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:28,400
crash be you know we've already in 48 we

2591
01:54:33,189 --> 01:54:29,360
had it

2592
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:33,199
and so it's a big problem well

2593
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:36,880
the uh the race

2594
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:40,000
to finding proof of

2595
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:44,159
intelligent life in in our galaxy

2596
01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:47,280
is what everybody is laser focused on

2597
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:48,159
now

2598
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:54,400
it's finding the ones that have life

2599
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,599
on it once that is achieved and

2600
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:59,280
it goes all the way back to our own

2601
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,360
solar system and what is going on with

2602
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:03,760
nasa and perseverance right now

2603
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:06,560
they find signs of life on mars nasa's

2604
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:08,320
got all the funding they've got more

2605
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:10,560
money that they can spend

2606
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:12,560
forever and they've always had budget

2607
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:13,679
issues but

2608
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:17,040
you get the right the holy grail and i

2609
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:19,920
i can feel the announcement coming from

2610
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:22,400
nasa here very very soon

2611
01:55:27,430 --> 01:55:25,280
because of the money and all of the

2612
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:27,440
astronomers and all of the observatories

2613
01:55:29,669 --> 01:55:28,960
and all of the massive funding that is

2614
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:29,679
going on

2615
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:31,679
around the world right now and the james

2616
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:33,520
webb going up we have tess up there

2617
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:34,239
right now

2618
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:37,520
hubble's done but um this search

2619
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:40,800
the race is on the race is on somebody

2620
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:43,920
needs to find it first and when you do

2621
01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:46,719
the money floods in and that's the goal

2622
01:55:50,709 --> 01:55:47,520
that's the goal

2623
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:50,719
that to find intelligent life congress

2624
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:51,440
is going to be

2625
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:54,639
up against it if that happens before

2626
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,520
everything else

2627
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,760
occurs right that's that's the race

2628
01:56:00,070 --> 01:55:59,199
that's on it's not only with the

2629
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:00,080
military

2630
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:03,119
but it's with the private sector as well

2631
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:07,119
think back tonight i think it was 1996

2632
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:10,480
when bill clinton talked about

2633
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:14,480
the there was a mars rove or mars

2634
01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:16,239
i can't remember if that rover or not

2635
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:18,560
bad but they found what they

2636
01:56:21,669 --> 01:56:21,040
thought was life and then and then it

2637
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,679
quickly

2638
01:56:24,870 --> 01:56:24,000
no that wasn't life that's just little

2639
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:24,880
you know

2640
01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:28,000
pebbles inside the pebbles or whatever

2641
01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:30,400
well now they're back doing the same

2642
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:32,000
thing and i think they're trying to beat

2643
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:32,719
the clock

2644
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:35,119
they're trying to get they're trying to

2645
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:36,719
be ahead of the curve and they're

2646
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:39,199
they're gonna they're gonna find that

2647
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:41,040
there was ancient life on mars

2648
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:43,920
is sort of a thing to move us to the

2649
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:45,360
next level because

2650
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:48,480
then webb is gonna find oh yes there's

2651
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:49,199
life there's

2652
01:56:55,830 --> 01:56:52,880
ozone in this you know atmosphere

2653
01:56:56,870 --> 01:56:55,840
there's this there's that the transits

2654
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:56,880
you know we can see

2655
01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:59,920
that you know that that planet has the

2656
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:01,040
kinds of

2657
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:04,400
of uh of uh chemicals that show that

2658
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:05,520
life is there

2659
01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:07,199
the next step after that is they're

2660
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:09,199
gonna show they're gonna see

2661
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:10,400
something that's close enough that

2662
01:57:12,709 --> 01:57:11,440
they're going to see an advanced

2663
01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:12,719
civilization

2664
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:14,880
city lights they're going to see city

2665
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:15,760
lights

2666
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:19,520
um and the same the same thing is going

2667
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:21,920
on right now with earth

2668
01:57:25,589 --> 01:57:24,880
this planet glows it's not only blue and

2669
01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:25,599
beautiful

2670
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:29,040
but it's lit up it's lit up

2671
01:57:32,470 --> 01:57:31,360
man it it the the dark side of this

2672
01:57:35,270 --> 01:57:32,480
planet has got

2673
01:57:36,229 --> 01:57:35,280
city lights glowing all over it you know

2674
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:36,239
how easy

2675
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:39,520
that is to spot right and we

2676
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:42,480
are going to achieve the same thing with

2677
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:44,320
the james webb telescope

2678
01:57:49,669 --> 01:57:47,760
we will not only be able to to find a

2679
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:49,679
planet that is correct but we're going

2680
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:51,599
to see its atmosphere

2681
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:53,920
uh what it's made up of and we will be

2682
01:57:58,629 --> 01:57:55,199
able to detect

2683
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:58,639
lights you know life on the planet and

2684
01:58:02,629 --> 01:58:00,800
that's that's next i'm telling you it's

2685
01:58:05,430 --> 01:58:02,639
going to happen quick

2686
01:58:07,030 --> 01:58:05,440
um now there's uh there's a flip side to

2687
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:07,040
all of this

2688
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:10,320
um is congress

2689
01:58:13,510 --> 01:58:12,159
and i'm talking about both houses too

2690
01:58:16,470 --> 01:58:13,520
it's not you know uh

2691
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:16,480
one is purse strings one is law but but

2692
01:58:20,709 --> 01:58:17,440
anyway

2693
01:58:23,589 --> 01:58:20,719
is is capitol hill going to

2694
01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:23,599
go back to the military and then say

2695
01:58:27,430 --> 01:58:24,400
look

2696
01:58:29,669 --> 01:58:27,440
we just had these hearings in 2021 you

2697
01:58:32,790 --> 01:58:29,679
guys weren't really being truthful

2698
01:58:34,870 --> 01:58:32,800
we now know this somebody's got some

2699
01:58:37,589 --> 01:58:34,880
explaining to do

2700
01:58:39,910 --> 01:58:37,599
will they go backwards or will everybody

2701
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:39,920
be interested about the future

2702
01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:41,920
and will the military get away with it

2703
01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:43,760
and the agencies

2704
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:46,960
well it depends uh you see the navy

2705
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:48,560
pushing forward because they're worried

2706
01:58:53,189 --> 01:58:50,159
about their troops

2707
01:58:54,229 --> 01:58:53,199
and or their their sailors excuse me

2708
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:54,239
wrong

2709
01:59:01,990 --> 01:59:00,800
look at the air force there's nothing

2710
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:02,000
coming out of them on this

2711
01:59:05,830 --> 01:59:03,599
right now isn't it that's right do you

2712
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:05,840
find that interesting as interesting as

2713
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:06,400
i do

2714
01:59:11,910 --> 01:59:09,040
yes yeah i think i think there's a

2715
01:59:15,189 --> 01:59:11,920
struggle going on in the bureaucracy

2716
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:15,199
uh over this maybe not at the top levels

2717
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:16,400
but below

2718
01:59:19,990 --> 01:59:17,840
is everyone's trying to figure out an

2719
01:59:21,990 --> 01:59:20,000
exit strategy and i think

2720
01:59:23,109 --> 01:59:22,000
nasa in what they're doing with

2721
01:59:26,550 --> 01:59:23,119
perseverance

2722
01:59:29,830 --> 01:59:26,560
fits into that exit strategy that gee

2723
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:29,840
we found it i don't care if they find it

2724
01:59:35,990 --> 01:59:32,560
and take credit for it or not

2725
01:59:38,390 --> 01:59:36,000
but i just want it to happen and so

2726
01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:38,400
uh that's one of the reasons i'm pushing

2727
01:59:43,030 --> 01:59:39,520
this issue

2728
01:59:45,669 --> 01:59:43,040
is you get you get congress tied up in

2729
01:59:47,030 --> 01:59:45,679
asking the right questions because in

2730
01:59:48,310 --> 01:59:47,040
the past they haven't asked the right

2731
01:59:50,950 --> 01:59:48,320
questions

2732
01:59:51,830 --> 01:59:50,960
and they're intimidated by the by the

2733
01:59:55,830 --> 01:59:51,840
military

2734
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:55,840
but these videos have really broken

2735
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:58,239
you know the damn in that regard and so

2736
02:00:03,189 --> 01:59:59,920
now we have to actually

2737
02:00:05,750 --> 02:00:03,199
have information come out of it uh

2738
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:05,760
i i knew that there was i knew i had to

2739
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:07,440
do something when the new york times

2740
02:00:12,390 --> 02:00:08,400
came out

2741
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:12,400
in 2017 it was on my birthday and so i

2742
02:00:17,030 --> 02:00:13,760
go aha

2743
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:17,040
i got i got to be involved in that um

2744
02:00:20,870 --> 02:00:19,280
yeah well i'll talk about stuff like i

2745
02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:20,880
guess you want to talk about me later

2746
02:00:25,030 --> 02:00:22,960
i do i do right after the break and

2747
02:00:26,709 --> 02:00:25,040
let's take our break right here this is

2748
02:00:27,830 --> 02:00:26,719
fade to black our guest tonight attorney

2749
02:00:29,510 --> 02:00:27,840
james lowe

2750
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:29,520
talking about his new book and i will

2751
02:00:33,510 --> 02:00:31,360
keep everybody posted on

2752
02:00:34,950 --> 02:00:33,520
its availability this is fade to black

2753
02:00:36,629 --> 02:00:34,960
i'm yours jimmy church

2754
02:00:45,669 --> 02:00:36,639
more with james after this short break

2755
02:00:53,270 --> 02:00:47,109
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2756
02:00:56,790 --> 02:00:55,109
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2762
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2763
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2764
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02:02:42,310 --> 02:02:40,960
when you're in the house for longer

2802
02:02:44,629 --> 02:02:42,320
periods of time

2803
02:02:46,390 --> 02:02:44,639
you can see them flying or running

2804
02:02:49,430 --> 02:02:46,400
across the floor

2805
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:49,440
ooh yuck they're unhealthy

2806
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:52,639
gross and disgusting bugs i

2807
02:02:58,790 --> 02:02:55,679
loathe bugs we keep a clean home

2808
02:03:00,149 --> 02:02:58,800
but occasionally bugs show up well i

2809
02:03:03,189 --> 02:03:00,159
found something that is

2810
02:03:06,550 --> 02:03:03,199
tougher than bugs orange guard on

2811
02:03:09,589 --> 02:03:06,560
contact it kills hidden bugs including

2812
02:03:12,709 --> 02:03:09,599
ants roaches and fleas plus

2813
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:12,719
orange guard is a residual repellent

2814
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:14,800
all of the ingredients of orange guard

2815
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:16,000
are on the fda

2816
02:03:20,950 --> 02:03:19,040
generally recognized as safe list orange

2817
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:20,960
guard may be used around food

2818
02:03:26,709 --> 02:03:24,719
humans and pets it comes with a 30 day

2819
02:03:29,310 --> 02:03:26,719
money back guarantee

2820
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:29,320
orange guard available at

2821
02:03:43,990 --> 02:03:30,800
orangeguard.com

2822
02:03:50,950 --> 02:03:47,189
you wanna know a secret i love

2823
02:03:53,189 --> 02:03:50,960
ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

2824
02:03:54,550 --> 02:03:53,199
i couldn't stay sane without ponies to

2825
02:03:57,830 --> 02:03:54,560
brush

2826
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:57,840
why fade to black because you never got

2827
02:04:03,109 --> 02:03:58,800
that pony

2828
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:05,350
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2829
02:04:25,030 --> 02:04:07,679
on the game changer radio network

2830
02:04:26,870 --> 02:04:25,040
and kgra the global radio alliance

2831
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:26,880
yeah the secret's out this is fade to

2832
02:04:31,109 --> 02:04:29,280
black i'm real jimmy church

2833
02:04:32,629 --> 02:04:31,119
i just let everybody know over on

2834
02:04:35,350 --> 02:04:32,639
youtube that i've been

2835
02:04:37,350 --> 02:04:35,360
in the background that's right i've been

2836
02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:37,360
lurking i've been watching all night and

2837
02:04:40,470 --> 02:04:38,320
i just

2838
02:04:42,069 --> 02:04:40,480
you know you just kind of what what did

2839
02:04:45,430 --> 02:04:42,079
i behave tonight yeah

2840
02:04:48,149 --> 02:04:45,440
that's right i got my eyes on you guys

2841
02:04:48,950 --> 02:04:48,159
our guest tonight attorney james lowe

2842
02:04:53,109 --> 02:04:48,960
and

2843
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:53,119
uh now james i wanted to i wanted to get

2844
02:04:58,229 --> 02:04:56,719
everything out in front uh you know with

2845
02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:58,239
the book and your approach to this and

2846
02:05:01,830 --> 02:04:59,599
how to deal with

2847
02:05:03,109 --> 02:05:01,840
with all matters washington dc and your

2848
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:03,119
approach to it and i think it's the

2849
02:05:06,629 --> 02:05:04,560
right one it's something that

2850
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:06,639
we've needed for a very long time and i

2851
02:05:10,229 --> 02:05:07,920
i thank you for that

2852
02:05:11,669 --> 02:05:10,239
fader knots are behind you uh it's an

2853
02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:11,679
incredible show

2854
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:14,560
and it allows people to maybe take uh a

2855
02:05:18,830 --> 02:05:15,280
deep breath

2856
02:05:21,910 --> 02:05:18,840
it's like oh somebody's on our side

2857
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:21,920
right that that knows how to deal with

2858
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:24,159
with this stuff so i want to thank you

2859
02:05:29,030 --> 02:05:25,760
on behalf of the community

2860
02:05:33,350 --> 02:05:29,040
but now let's talk about you

2861
02:05:34,709 --> 02:05:33,360
you you made you reached out to yvonne

2862
02:05:37,430 --> 02:05:34,719
smith

2863
02:05:38,310 --> 02:05:37,440
one of the most respected uh people out

2864
02:05:41,270 --> 02:05:38,320
there period

2865
02:05:41,910 --> 02:05:41,280
uh bar none and much love to yvonne and

2866
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:41,920
what she

2867
02:05:45,430 --> 02:05:43,599
she has done over the years but you

2868
02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:45,440
reached out to her

2869
02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:49,840
how did you find her and why

2870
02:05:54,229 --> 02:05:53,440
well i spent a lot of time researching

2871
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:54,239
who i should

2872
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:02,870
came pretty much the top of the list

2873
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:06,719
on who i wanted to talk to uh um

2874
02:06:10,310 --> 02:06:09,119
mainly because she doesn't have an

2875
02:06:14,470 --> 02:06:10,320
agenda

2876
02:06:17,669 --> 02:06:14,480
or her group has a lot of different

2877
02:06:18,069 --> 02:06:17,679
variations i attended the group went to

2878
02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:18,079
a

2879
02:06:29,189 --> 02:06:25,440
2013.

2880
02:06:32,229 --> 02:06:29,199
yeah i was there i was there for that

2881
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:32,239
i was there that was down like in marina

2882
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:32,880
del rey

2883
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:35,199
city yeah culver city yeah yeah yeah i

2884
02:06:39,270 --> 02:06:36,159
was there

2885
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:39,280
oh my goodness

2886
02:06:43,030 --> 02:06:42,159
that's right i was there okay that was a

2887
02:06:45,109 --> 02:06:43,040
good idea that was

2888
02:06:46,629 --> 02:06:45,119
that was a good night actually i was

2889
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:46,639
that was uh

2890
02:06:53,109 --> 02:06:49,040
grant was on his game uh that night but

2891
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:53,119
go ahead so you show up in culver city

2892
02:06:57,189 --> 02:06:55,679
yeah and uh i like i said i'd done some

2893
02:07:00,790 --> 02:06:57,199
research on who

2894
02:07:01,189 --> 02:07:00,800
for other people uh that i i considered

2895
02:07:03,270 --> 02:07:01,199
that

2896
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:03,280
i i would have been just probably just

2897
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:04,320
happy with

2898
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:07,520
but i wanted to talk to avon and the

2899
02:07:12,229 --> 02:07:09,920
reason was i wanted to talk to somebody

2900
02:07:15,990 --> 02:07:12,239
i was still practicing law at the time

2901
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:16,000
and working on some i well i was always

2902
02:07:18,470 --> 02:07:17,760
working on controversial issues that's

2903
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:18,480
what

2904
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:25,440
wanted to see from back i sort of had an

2905
02:07:30,709 --> 02:07:26,880
epiphany

2906
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:30,719
in november of 2009

2907
02:07:33,830 --> 02:07:32,800
that what the hell am i doing you know

2908
02:07:36,310 --> 02:07:33,840
i'm i work

2909
02:07:37,669 --> 02:07:36,320
three hours a week i run around you know

2910
02:07:39,830 --> 02:07:37,679
i'm sure i'm putting my kids through

2911
02:07:42,229 --> 02:07:39,840
school but there's got to be more

2912
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:42,239
and so i pretty much changed the way i

2913
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:44,719
was approaching my practice

2914
02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:47,840
and it was more a life change

2915
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:51,520
and so fi by 2012 i realized

2916
02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:53,520
you know how to do something about this

2917
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:56,719
i just can't keep it hidden away

2918
02:08:02,950 --> 02:08:00,960
more experiences and so i just uh picked

2919
02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:02,960
devon and hoped it worked out and it

2920
02:08:07,030 --> 02:08:05,760
worked out very well it's it's a sarah's

2921
02:08:13,189 --> 02:08:07,040
great group

2922
02:08:16,629 --> 02:08:15,510
well experience is pretty much my whole

2923
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:16,639
life

2924
02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:20,320
and uh so i i didn't want to

2925
02:08:26,069 --> 02:08:23,760
turn off the congress

2926
02:08:28,069 --> 02:08:26,079
by you know saying how many times i've

2927
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:28,079
been on the ufo or whatever

2928
02:08:33,189 --> 02:08:30,719
you know i which i don't have no idea

2929
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:33,199
but i wanted to say i've seen them

2930
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:36,239
and leave it at that because uh that's

2931
02:08:39,750 --> 02:08:37,199
what i know

2932
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:39,760
consciously is that i've seen them and

2933
02:08:43,510 --> 02:08:40,719
so

2934
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:43,520
i've had experiences pretty much my

2935
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:44,480
whole life

2936
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,520
uh off and on and and i feel i'm still

2937
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:49,520
occasionally having them but not quite

2938
02:08:52,870 --> 02:08:50,800
as soft

2939
02:08:56,229 --> 02:08:52,880
okay so let's let's turn back the clocks

2940
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:56,239
a little bit where were you raised

2941
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:59,679
uh i was raised originally in st louis

2942
02:09:05,830 --> 02:09:01,040
missouri in north

2943
02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:05,840
louis missouri uh and liv until i was uh

2944
02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:09,440
about seven eight years old and then we

2945
02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:09,840
moved

2946
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:12,960
first indiana and then to the los

2947
02:09:17,350 --> 02:09:14,400
angeles area

2948
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:17,360
and i go back every summer to live in

2949
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:18,480
missouri

2950
02:09:22,629 --> 02:09:20,400
uh i guess so they wouldn't

2951
02:09:26,470 --> 02:09:22,639
californiaize me too much well that

2952
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:26,480
that fan but uh uh so i've been living i

2953
02:09:30,870 --> 02:09:29,520
i grew up in san dimas once i moved out

2954
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:30,880
here in the

2955
02:09:37,510 --> 02:09:34,400
uh great and san dimas

2956
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:37,520
uh for everybody uh i love hearing

2957
02:09:44,069 --> 02:09:41,040
uh the name sam demus um

2958
02:09:47,109 --> 02:09:44,079
it's the northern part of l.a

2959
02:09:48,550 --> 02:09:47,119
county at at the foothills of

2960
02:09:50,470 --> 02:09:48,560
of the mountains that are out here san

2961
02:09:54,390 --> 02:09:50,480
gabriel mountains and

2962
02:09:55,910 --> 02:09:54,400
there is a run of cities i consider well

2963
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:55,920
you were raised there back in the day

2964
02:10:01,109 --> 02:09:57,599
when san dimas was

2965
02:10:04,229 --> 02:10:01,119
uh uh out in the country

2966
02:10:07,510 --> 02:10:04,239
right but right but today

2967
02:10:10,709 --> 02:10:07,520
there's a run of cities that goes up the

2968
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:10,719
210 which kind of starts you could

2969
02:10:14,870 --> 02:10:13,040
almost say it starts at burbank now

2970
02:10:17,990 --> 02:10:14,880
because everything touches

2971
02:10:19,350 --> 02:10:18,000
right so it's burbank it's glendale it's

2972
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:19,360
a pasadena

2973
02:10:26,550 --> 02:10:22,480
it's uh sierra madre

2974
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:26,560
uh arcadia monrovia

2975
02:10:33,270 --> 02:10:30,000
san dimas right and so now it's just

2976
02:10:35,830 --> 02:10:33,280
one it's like one city to me right so

2977
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:35,840
when you say san dimas i'm in burbank

2978
02:10:39,669 --> 02:10:38,560
but i would say that it's the same city

2979
02:10:42,229 --> 02:10:39,679
today

2980
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:42,239
right does that make sense to you oh

2981
02:10:47,030 --> 02:10:43,679
absolutely when you fly

2982
02:10:49,510 --> 02:10:47,040
to lax people are up who haven't come to

2983
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:49,520
los angeles are amazed that

2984
02:10:54,470 --> 02:10:51,920
you know we we spent 25 minutes in the

2985
02:10:56,470 --> 02:10:54,480
air flying over the city

2986
02:10:58,310 --> 02:10:56,480
because it's just one big city they

2987
02:11:00,550 --> 02:10:58,320
think they think that that's all los

2988
02:11:02,310 --> 02:11:00,560
angeles and they don't realize that

2989
02:11:05,430 --> 02:11:02,320
they're actually flying over palm

2990
02:11:09,510 --> 02:11:07,990
yeah it's really really funny so we have

2991
02:11:11,669 --> 02:11:09,520
all these cities and they're all over

2992
02:11:13,750 --> 02:11:11,679
the place but at one point

2993
02:11:16,229 --> 02:11:13,760
back in the day certainly in the in the

2994
02:11:18,709 --> 02:11:16,239
40s and the 50s and the 60s

2995
02:11:21,189 --> 02:11:18,719
there was still farmland and things that

2996
02:11:24,310 --> 02:11:21,199
were separating these cities today

2997
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:24,320
it's just one big mess and san dimas is

2998
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:25,520
part of that

2999
02:11:29,350 --> 02:11:27,679
where now san dimas used to be remote

3000
02:11:32,950 --> 02:11:29,360
but it is now

3001
02:11:36,069 --> 02:11:32,960
just part of uh los angeles

3002
02:11:36,550 --> 02:11:36,079
right did the uh i went to bonita high

3003
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:36,560
school

3004
02:11:42,390 --> 02:11:40,719
built after that in fact uh

3005
02:11:44,629 --> 02:11:42,400
i ran the election where they picked

3006
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:44,639
their mascot and uh

3007
02:11:48,790 --> 02:11:47,280
and uh when the school first started and

3008
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:48,800
they exchanged us

3009
02:11:52,069 --> 02:11:51,360
uh chrome-plated smug pot for the winner

3010
02:11:54,870 --> 02:11:52,079
of the football

3011
02:11:55,189 --> 02:11:54,880
game do you remember smudge pots i do i

3012
02:11:59,510 --> 02:11:55,199
do

3013
02:12:01,350 --> 02:11:59,520
dimas well there's a guitar builder out

3014
02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:01,360
there that i know really well but

3015
02:12:05,669 --> 02:12:03,920
i think of the race track and the

3016
02:12:07,589 --> 02:12:05,679
budweiser plant

3017
02:12:08,950 --> 02:12:07,599
that's what i think of san diego no

3018
02:12:11,990 --> 02:12:08,960
that's that's

3019
02:12:12,310 --> 02:12:12,000
that's uh that's a that's actually azusa

3020
02:12:15,109 --> 02:12:12,320
or

3021
02:12:15,669 --> 02:12:15,119
industry it's a little further uh yeah

3022
02:12:17,350 --> 02:12:15,679
but

3023
02:12:18,709 --> 02:12:17,360
i know what you mean yeah they all touch

3024
02:12:21,430 --> 02:12:18,719
yeah they all

3025
02:12:22,870 --> 02:12:21,440
you're talking jim you're talking about

3026
02:12:25,990 --> 02:12:22,880
one mile

3027
02:12:27,910 --> 02:12:26,000
okay you're right

3028
02:12:29,750 --> 02:12:27,920
yeah if you're driving on the freeway

3029
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:29,760
you blow through four cities

3030
02:12:35,310 --> 02:12:33,199
in in 45 seconds that's true

3031
02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:35,320
yeah that's true so did you have

3032
02:12:40,709 --> 02:12:36,719
experiences

3033
02:12:44,149 --> 02:12:40,719
in in san dimas back then yes i did

3034
02:12:47,350 --> 02:12:44,159
uh did they start in in st

3035
02:12:50,870 --> 02:12:47,360
louis or did they start in san dimas

3036
02:12:51,510 --> 02:12:50,880
they started in saint louis but i didn't

3037
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:51,520
know it

3038
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:54,480
right you know i was too young and my

3039
02:13:00,390 --> 02:12:56,320
mother lives with us

3040
02:13:02,229 --> 02:13:00,400
and uh about five years ago

3041
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:02,239
she said did i ever tell you about the

3042
02:13:07,830 --> 02:13:05,760
time when i found you on the rider

3043
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:07,840
what do you mean she found you on the

3044
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:09,199
what you broke up there

3045
02:13:13,990 --> 02:13:11,360
on top of the refrig on top of the

3046
02:13:16,790 --> 02:13:14,000
refrigerator oh gotcha okay

3047
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:16,800
and so i was nine months old i'd been in

3048
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:18,000
the hospital

3049
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:20,880
i'd come home i couldn't crawl very well

3050
02:13:25,589 --> 02:13:22,320
and so my mother had me

3051
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:25,599
in the kitchen floor you know crawling

3052
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:26,320
around you know

3053
02:13:31,510 --> 02:13:29,360
and i couldn't crawl very far and she

3054
02:13:32,790 --> 02:13:31,520
had to go to the restroom bathroom so

3055
02:13:35,750 --> 02:13:32,800
she went in you know

3056
02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:35,760
750 square foot house it was three feet

3057
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:37,040
away was the restroom

3058
02:13:42,069 --> 02:13:39,760
right and uh so she quickly went to the

3059
02:13:45,750 --> 02:13:42,079
bathroom washed her hands came back in

3060
02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:45,760
and i was on top of the refrigerator now

3061
02:13:51,350 --> 02:13:49,520
how does she explain that she doesn't

3062
02:13:52,550 --> 02:13:51,360
right she thought it was she thought it

3063
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:52,560
was you know

3064
02:13:56,149 --> 02:13:54,480
an angel or something like that was

3065
02:13:57,109 --> 02:13:56,159
protecting me and put me up there or

3066
02:14:00,149 --> 02:13:57,119
something

3067
02:14:03,030 --> 02:14:00,159
but uh looking back it was uh they

3068
02:14:05,990 --> 02:14:03,040
probably put me back wrong

3069
02:14:07,189 --> 02:14:06,000
whatever you know i've gotta i've got a

3070
02:14:09,669 --> 02:14:07,199
lot of just freaked around

3071
02:14:12,390 --> 02:14:09,679
i've got a lot of stories but i never

3072
02:14:15,589 --> 02:14:12,400
levitated to the top of the refrigerator

3073
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:15,599
that that that's strong

3074
02:14:18,950 --> 02:14:17,679
uh what happened in san dimas what was

3075
02:14:22,470 --> 02:14:18,960
the first

3076
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:22,480
uh ufo contact experience that you can

3077
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:24,000
remember

3078
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:26,480
i was a junior in high school and i was

3079
02:14:30,069 --> 02:14:27,040
playing

3080
02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:30,079
basketball with the with some friends

3081
02:14:34,470 --> 02:14:32,480
in the backyard of a of a friend and we

3082
02:14:35,189 --> 02:14:34,480
played for about two hours and so after

3083
02:14:38,470 --> 02:14:35,199
the

3084
02:14:41,669 --> 02:14:38,480
game i was walking home

3085
02:14:43,430 --> 02:14:41,679
and i decided to go lay in the park

3086
02:14:45,910 --> 02:14:43,440
and just while i'm you know let the

3087
02:14:47,669 --> 02:14:45,920
sweat dry off before i went home

3088
02:14:50,149 --> 02:14:47,679
well the funny thing about it was the

3089
02:14:53,189 --> 02:14:50,159
park was just being planted

3090
02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:53,199
and so it was peat moss and

3091
02:15:00,470 --> 02:14:57,280
and uh you know just shoots of grass

3092
02:15:04,069 --> 02:15:00,480
yet i laid down in looking at the stars

3093
02:15:06,550 --> 02:15:04,079
and it was dead

3094
02:15:08,229 --> 02:15:06,560
deathly quiet it just got you know just

3095
02:15:11,350 --> 02:15:08,239
all sound just disappeared

3096
02:15:13,030 --> 02:15:11,360
and so i'm looking out at the stars very

3097
02:15:16,550 --> 02:15:13,040
clear night

3098
02:15:19,109 --> 02:15:16,560
and i see this lenticular shaped object

3099
02:15:19,589 --> 02:15:19,119
off in the distance towards putting

3100
02:15:22,709 --> 02:15:19,599
stone

3101
02:15:23,430 --> 02:15:22,719
dam and there's a there's an air there's

3102
02:16:53,669 --> 02:15:23,440
a

3103
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:53,679
of it

3104
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:57,519
and um i lost it for a second re-found

3105
02:17:01,429 --> 02:16:58,160
it

3106
02:17:03,750 --> 02:17:01,439
right over me

3107
02:17:05,190 --> 02:17:03,760
so i reached down without looking and

3108
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:05,200
found a rock that fit

3109
02:17:10,150 --> 02:17:08,399
right in my hand just perfectly like a

3110
02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:10,160
skipping rock

3111
02:17:14,230 --> 02:17:13,120
and i threw it as soon as it came over

3112
02:17:16,950 --> 02:17:14,240
me it was about

3113
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:16,960
if it was 75 feet above me it was at

3114
02:17:22,070 --> 02:17:18,240
least 30

3115
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:22,080
feet wide in diameter and i threw a rock

3116
02:17:25,110 --> 02:17:23,120
at it

3117
02:17:26,790 --> 02:17:25,120
and this rock came down and almost hit

3118
02:17:27,509 --> 02:17:26,800
me in the head because i threw it

3119
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:27,519
straight up

3120
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:30,639
it didn't hit it came straight down

3121
02:17:35,030 --> 02:17:33,439
and then my memory at the time is it

3122
02:17:37,270 --> 02:17:35,040
flew directly behind

3123
02:17:39,750 --> 02:17:37,280
you know in a straight line but started

3124
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:39,760
going up and then passed over the

3125
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:43,760
san gabriel mountains over a water tower

3126
02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:46,800
and so i go wow this is amazing

3127
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:49,439
and now my dad read ufo books at the

3128
02:17:54,070 --> 02:17:50,399
time

3129
02:17:57,110 --> 02:17:54,080
and uh but i was a teenager and you know

3130
02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:57,120
my dad and i didn't talk very much uh

3131
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:59,040
during that year and a half when i

3132
02:18:03,910 --> 02:18:00,639
thought i was smarter than he was

3133
02:18:06,309 --> 02:18:03,920
sure and so i went home and didn't tell

3134
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:06,319
him about it went straight to bed

3135
02:18:09,429 --> 02:18:08,800
and took a shower and went straight to

3136
02:18:11,669 --> 02:18:09,439
bed

3137
02:18:12,629 --> 02:18:11,679
and never thought about it for a long

3138
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:12,639
time

3139
02:18:21,270 --> 02:18:16,160
um whenever i i was seeing yvonne

3140
02:18:23,669 --> 02:18:21,280
i i had myself regressed

3141
02:18:25,750 --> 02:18:23,679
to that time and i never picked up

3142
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:25,760
anything i was i've got a lot of blocks

3143
02:18:28,549 --> 02:18:26,080
and i

3144
02:18:30,709 --> 02:18:28,559
i didn't get anything so after the

3145
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:30,719
regression before driving back to san

3146
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:33,040
diego county where i live

3147
02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:35,840
i drove by the old neighborhood and went

3148
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:39,040
and walked and stood at that exact spot

3149
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:41,519
on the way home from the my regression

3150
02:18:46,230 --> 02:18:43,359
session

3151
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,240
and uh i'm just standing there looking

3152
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:48,080
at the you know i remembered everything

3153
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:50,880
very well you know the the scenery the

3154
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:51,519
stuff

3155
02:18:55,589 --> 02:18:54,319
even the fact that the cricket stopped

3156
02:18:59,349 --> 02:18:55,599
um

3157
02:19:01,429 --> 02:18:59,359
and then i reached down look around

3158
02:19:03,429 --> 02:19:01,439
and there's a rock sitting there it's

3159
02:19:05,429 --> 02:19:03,439
got a few dents on it or whatever but it

3160
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:05,439
was literally it fit in my hand the same

3161
02:19:09,429 --> 02:19:06,000
way as the

3162
02:19:11,349 --> 02:19:09,439
one i had and so i get up

3163
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:11,359
after i pick it up i stand up and look

3164
02:19:16,389 --> 02:19:14,639
around and i realize

3165
02:19:18,549 --> 02:19:16,399
i have a clear memory of it just going

3166
02:19:20,070 --> 02:19:18,559
in a straight line just descending and

3167
02:19:23,509 --> 02:19:20,080
then going back up again

3168
02:19:27,669 --> 02:19:23,519
and speeding up i look around

3169
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:27,679
and to my right is the water tower and

3170
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:30,080
i'm thinking wait a minute

3171
02:19:34,549 --> 02:19:32,399
that's not how i remember it then then i

3172
02:19:37,669 --> 02:19:34,559
what i did is i stood

3173
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:37,679
facing where i saw it and then i turned

3174
02:19:41,910 --> 02:19:39,120
around and faced

3175
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:41,920
where the water tower was not where i

3176
02:19:45,270 --> 02:19:43,040
thought it went

3177
02:19:47,509 --> 02:19:45,280
and all of a sudden i realized wait a

3178
02:19:50,230 --> 02:19:47,519
minute

3179
02:19:52,230 --> 02:19:50,240
all right one millisecond i'm facing one

3180
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:52,240
way the next millisecond i'm facing

3181
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:54,000
another way

3182
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:55,920
and that just hit me like a ton of

3183
02:20:01,670 --> 02:19:58,800
bricks when i realized that

3184
02:20:02,070 --> 02:20:01,680
and uh so in addition to seeing it i was

3185
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:02,080
probably

3186
02:20:06,790 --> 02:20:04,880
taken at that point and you know they

3187
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:06,800
can freeze time locally

3188
02:20:13,510 --> 02:20:10,399
sure and so that was the first

3189
02:20:15,910 --> 02:20:13,520
incident that i remember as a kid

3190
02:20:17,910 --> 02:20:15,920
i used to walk in my sleep a lot they'd

3191
02:20:22,550 --> 02:20:17,920
find me out in the street

3192
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:22,560
you know on the sidewalk or whatever and

3193
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:24,479
so you know i don't know if that was

3194
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:26,240
just you know

3195
02:20:30,070 --> 02:20:28,800
you know growing up you know and uh

3196
02:20:32,870 --> 02:20:30,080
going through puberty or

3197
02:20:34,469 --> 02:20:32,880
what but uh you know i had a lot of

3198
02:20:35,670 --> 02:20:34,479
incidents where they just couldn't find

3199
02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:35,680
me

3200
02:20:41,030 --> 02:20:38,720
and so i never really traced that back

3201
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:41,040
uh i haven't done a lot of regressions

3202
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:42,240
with vaughn

3203
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:45,280
because i don't pick up that much but

3204
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:47,359
my conscious memory is enough from what

3205
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:49,200
i saw

3206
02:20:55,349 --> 02:20:52,479
and uh before and after

3207
02:20:55,830 --> 02:20:55,359
in the regression while i'm conscious

3208
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:55,840
the

3209
02:21:02,469 --> 02:20:59,200
my memories are so sharp where i

3210
02:21:05,590 --> 02:21:02,479
you know smell the grass you know

3211
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:05,600
you know brush the uh

3212
02:21:10,389 --> 02:21:08,640
moss off my sweaty back you know who

3213
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:10,399
goes and lays in peat moss

3214
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:12,399
after playing two hours of basketball

3215
02:21:15,750 --> 02:21:13,530
nobody

3216
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:15,760
[Laughter]

3217
02:21:22,070 --> 02:21:19,040
so it you know i it took me

3218
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:22,080
50 years 50 years pretty much put two

3219
02:21:28,150 --> 02:21:23,600
and two together

3220
02:21:29,750 --> 02:21:28,160
on it the uh the question of regression

3221
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:29,760
and i think you were there when yvonne

3222
02:21:32,630 --> 02:21:30,319
and i

3223
02:21:34,309 --> 02:21:32,640
were were talking about whether i would

3224
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:34,319
do it or not

3225
02:21:40,790 --> 02:21:38,240
and i've always chosen

3226
02:21:42,950 --> 02:21:40,800
no right let's just leave i have good

3227
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:42,960
memories right

3228
02:21:47,510 --> 02:21:46,080
let's just leave it where it is um and i

3229
02:21:50,710 --> 02:21:47,520
am okay with that

3230
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:50,720
but that's a pretty big step right to

3231
02:21:53,830 --> 02:21:53,439
to go and to choose because you may find

3232
02:21:56,790 --> 02:21:53,840
out

3233
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:56,800
something that maybe you didn't want to

3234
02:22:01,750 --> 02:21:58,000
know

3235
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:01,760
did that happen to you um

3236
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:05,040
yeah it did actually um

3237
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:08,640
and i pretty much after

3238
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:11,280
i'm what i spend most of my time with

3239
02:22:14,870 --> 02:22:13,200
the fondue i'll i'll pay her just to sit

3240
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:14,880
and i'll tell her what's happened to me

3241
02:22:19,270 --> 02:22:16,880
that i consciously remember

3242
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:19,280
and then she's she's an expert i mean

3243
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:20,560
she's the expert

3244
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:23,040
right and oh yeah that's common no i've

3245
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:24,960
never heard of that before

3246
02:22:28,550 --> 02:22:27,120
and so i come out of those those

3247
02:22:32,150 --> 02:22:28,560
meetings we have feeling

3248
02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:32,160
very good because it helps nail it down

3249
02:22:35,750 --> 02:22:32,960
i don't

3250
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:35,760
look at regressions as proving that

3251
02:22:40,150 --> 02:22:37,120
something happened

3252
02:22:41,510 --> 02:22:40,160
all it does is prove to me something

3253
02:22:44,230 --> 02:22:41,520
happened that's all i care about

3254
02:22:45,190 --> 02:22:44,240
right right and and uh help me

3255
02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:45,200
understand

3256
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:46,960
i'm looking at the clock we only have a

3257
02:22:51,429 --> 02:22:48,640
few minutes left

3258
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:51,439
um i almost want to you want to keep

3259
02:22:56,070 --> 02:22:52,880
this going we can

3260
02:22:58,870 --> 02:22:56,080
we can do an extra segment sure

3261
02:23:00,630 --> 02:22:58,880
okay you're retired you don't play golf

3262
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:00,640
you don't have tea time in the morning

3263
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:04,960
right this is my this is my bedtime

3264
02:23:10,630 --> 02:23:08,080
is this you just brought up um

3265
02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:10,640
i think with all of this our memories

3266
02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:12,640
are sepia tone

3267
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:16,000
little fuzzy right but you just

3268
02:23:22,389 --> 02:23:19,280
said not these memories are vivid

3269
02:23:24,550 --> 02:23:22,399
right what's that like to experience a

3270
02:23:25,590 --> 02:23:24,560
memory that was fuzzy in black and white

3271
02:23:29,590 --> 02:23:25,600
before

3272
02:23:31,910 --> 02:23:29,600
now coming back in in living color

3273
02:23:33,429 --> 02:23:31,920
it's it's just amazing one one time

3274
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:33,439
yvonne regressed me there was an

3275
02:23:37,030 --> 02:23:35,120
incident that happened after a city

3276
02:23:40,070 --> 02:23:37,040
council meeting

3277
02:23:41,670 --> 02:23:40,080
and i didn't get much i did get

3278
02:23:44,710 --> 02:23:41,680
something out of it

3279
02:23:46,389 --> 02:23:44,720
that something happened but what i was

3280
02:23:48,389 --> 02:23:46,399
amazed is

3281
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:48,399
i remember myself sitting in the

3282
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:50,720
audience at a city council meeting which

3283
02:23:53,750 --> 02:23:52,160
i never do because i said

3284
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:53,760
because if i'm the city attorney i sit

3285
02:23:57,190 --> 02:23:56,000
up at the podium and i'm sitting in the

3286
02:24:01,349 --> 02:23:57,200
audience

3287
02:24:03,429 --> 02:24:01,359
and they had just cleaned and waxed

3288
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:03,439
the linoleum floor in the council

3289
02:24:07,429 --> 02:24:05,760
chambers this is a small town

3290
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:07,439
and i remember sitting in the chair and

3291
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:08,880
looking down

3292
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:12,240
and there was an accumulation of dirt

3293
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:14,399
against you on the seat you know where

3294
02:24:20,550 --> 02:24:17,120
it attaches to the floor you know the

3295
02:24:24,070 --> 02:24:20,560
and uh and and it smelled and i

3296
02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:24,080
it was mixed with the smell of pine sol

3297
02:24:29,910 --> 02:24:27,439
and wax and i could remember no i don't

3298
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:29,920
remember details like that

3299
02:24:33,670 --> 02:24:32,160
you know and then when i went then when

3300
02:24:36,630 --> 02:24:33,680
i went out to my car

3301
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:36,640
and uh opened and shut the door i

3302
02:24:40,790 --> 02:24:37,920
realized how much

3303
02:24:42,070 --> 02:24:40,800
i had body odor because at work from

3304
02:24:45,190 --> 02:24:42,080
seven o'clock

3305
02:24:48,230 --> 02:24:45,200
in the morning till 11 30 at night

3306
02:24:51,429 --> 02:24:48,240
and so little things like that i go whoa

3307
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:51,439
i'm even grossing myself out you know

3308
02:24:58,150 --> 02:24:54,960
and so when i took my jacket off and

3309
02:25:01,349 --> 02:24:58,160
so hundreds of little details pop out

3310
02:25:03,429 --> 02:25:01,359
that you know help me you know i guess

3311
02:25:04,469 --> 02:25:03,439
you know people can say that people

3312
02:25:07,349 --> 02:25:04,479
fabricate

3313
02:25:08,389 --> 02:25:07,359
but the reason i did it was for myself i

3314
02:25:11,110 --> 02:25:08,399
didn't do it

3315
02:25:11,990 --> 02:25:11,120
to write a book about myself or to talk

3316
02:25:15,270 --> 02:25:12,000
about it

3317
02:25:17,270 --> 02:25:15,280
i you know i i'm a public policy person

3318
02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:17,280
i read the economist i read foreign

3319
02:25:22,070 --> 02:25:19,280
affairs magazine i don't

3320
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:22,080
you know i'm not in this to make a

3321
02:25:26,389 --> 02:25:23,200
killing with my

3322
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:26,399
story you know have you had

3323
02:25:32,230 --> 02:25:31,439
uh the the whitley strieber version of

3324
02:25:36,830 --> 02:25:32,240
things

3325
02:25:38,389 --> 02:25:36,840
uh have you have you made have you made

3326
02:25:41,590 --> 02:25:38,399
contact

3327
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:41,600
yeah not quite like whitley

3328
02:25:48,550 --> 02:25:45,840
not quite like whitley but um

3329
02:25:48,870 --> 02:25:48,560
i i don't know what i'm contacting with

3330
02:25:52,309 --> 02:25:48,880
but

3331
02:25:55,429 --> 02:25:52,319
occasionally i will get

3332
02:25:58,309 --> 02:25:55,439
you know a sign i'm on the right track

3333
02:25:58,950 --> 02:25:58,319
you know something will pop up i'll be

3334
02:26:00,950 --> 02:25:58,960
thinking

3335
02:26:02,790 --> 02:26:00,960
should i get on this path or should i go

3336
02:26:04,550 --> 02:26:02,800
i think i should do this

3337
02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:04,560
and i look up you know i haven't looked

3338
02:26:09,830 --> 02:26:06,240
at the clock in

3339
02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:09,840
three hours and it's 111. you know

3340
02:26:12,950 --> 02:26:11,920
i want to i want to just let the

3341
02:26:15,990 --> 02:26:12,960
audience know

3342
02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:16,000
um i'm i'm looking at

3343
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:19,200
jim who is every bit of what an

3344
02:26:24,230 --> 02:26:21,680
attorney should look like you're in this

3345
02:26:26,870 --> 02:26:24,240
beautiful office with the awards and the

3346
02:26:30,230 --> 02:26:26,880
things and you look like an attorney

3347
02:26:33,270 --> 02:26:30,240
you speak like an attorney right

3348
02:26:34,710 --> 02:26:33,280
and to hear you recount these and share

3349
02:26:37,590 --> 02:26:34,720
these with me

3350
02:26:38,309 --> 02:26:37,600
it's like you know i've got f lee bailey

3351
02:26:42,150 --> 02:26:38,319
you know sitting

3352
02:26:44,309 --> 02:26:42,160
in front of me um talking about

3353
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:44,319
a life of contact i find that just

3354
02:26:48,230 --> 02:26:45,680
extraordinary

3355
02:26:48,710 --> 02:26:48,240
how many how many professionals out

3356
02:26:51,830 --> 02:26:48,720
there

3357
02:26:53,190 --> 02:26:51,840
like yourself uh have had the same

3358
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:53,200
experiences but have

3359
02:26:56,550 --> 02:26:54,960
never spoken about it dave have you

3360
02:27:00,230 --> 02:26:56,560
thought about that

3361
02:27:03,910 --> 02:27:00,240
um it's amazing i've run across

3362
02:27:07,030 --> 02:27:03,920
people that i've looked at them and

3363
02:27:08,230 --> 02:27:07,040
and just know that they're they're one

3364
02:27:10,070 --> 02:27:08,240
of us

3365
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:10,080
that whether they say it or not i've

3366
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:12,479
just had these things hit me

3367
02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:16,479
these impressions and uh i

3368
02:27:22,469 --> 02:27:19,760
one of the things i i try to do uh

3369
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:22,479
at experiencer sessions at conferences

3370
02:27:26,630 --> 02:27:23,760
or whatever is

3371
02:27:28,630 --> 02:27:26,640
if there are professionals in the room

3372
02:27:30,790 --> 02:27:28,640
and you know i'll talk more

3373
02:27:31,990 --> 02:27:30,800
about my experiences so they feel a

3374
02:27:33,910 --> 02:27:32,000
little

3375
02:27:35,990 --> 02:27:33,920
you know because most i like the first

3376
02:27:37,910 --> 02:27:36,000
time i went to a conference

3377
02:27:39,510 --> 02:27:37,920
i'm sitting in the back hoping no one

3378
02:27:42,389 --> 02:27:39,520
recognizes me

3379
02:27:43,110 --> 02:27:42,399
you know because i've had my 15 minutes

3380
02:27:45,830 --> 02:27:43,120
uh you know

3381
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:45,840
i'm the guy on i'm the guy on tv when we

3382
02:27:49,590 --> 02:27:46,800
lose the case

3383
02:27:51,429 --> 02:27:49,600
when we win it the mayor's on tv you

3384
02:27:54,790 --> 02:27:51,439
know

3385
02:27:57,349 --> 02:27:54,800
and so i one time had a person

3386
02:27:58,150 --> 02:27:57,359
stare at me i was taking a train from

3387
02:28:01,270 --> 02:27:58,160
fresno

3388
02:28:03,429 --> 02:28:01,280
to san francisco

3389
02:28:04,950 --> 02:28:03,439
and or sacramento i can't remember which

3390
02:28:08,790 --> 02:28:04,960
but this woman

3391
02:28:10,950 --> 02:28:08,800
stared at me the whole time and so

3392
02:28:12,550 --> 02:28:10,960
when we got into the station she walked

3393
02:28:16,309 --> 02:28:12,560
up to me and goes

3394
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:16,319
did you work at pg e and i go no

3395
02:28:21,270 --> 02:28:19,280
and so she walked on she saw me from

3396
02:28:23,590 --> 02:28:21,280
cable access tv

3397
02:28:25,030 --> 02:28:23,600
you know for the council meetings you

3398
02:28:27,670 --> 02:28:25,040
know and so

3399
02:28:30,070 --> 02:28:27,680
you know you live your life in public

3400
02:28:31,110 --> 02:28:30,080
and so you try not to talk about these

3401
02:28:33,190 --> 02:28:31,120
things too much

3402
02:28:35,190 --> 02:28:33,200
and so i know that other professionals

3403
02:28:38,830 --> 02:28:35,200
have the same problem

3404
02:28:42,309 --> 02:28:38,840
and uh i know a few through ivan's group

3405
02:28:42,950 --> 02:28:42,319
and uh i mostly like one of my favorite

3406
02:28:45,830 --> 02:28:42,960
things is

3407
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:45,840
talk to the 40-somethings 30-somethings

3408
02:28:48,550 --> 02:28:46,800
that are

3409
02:28:51,190 --> 02:28:48,560
you know moving up you know as an

3410
02:28:53,190 --> 02:28:51,200
architect an engineer

3411
02:28:55,110 --> 02:28:53,200
a lawyer a doctor that kind of thing

3412
02:28:58,630 --> 02:28:55,120
there are a lot of you know

3413
02:29:01,429 --> 02:28:58,640
they don't they don't pick people based

3414
02:29:07,590 --> 02:29:05,510
you know the janitor

3415
02:29:09,429 --> 02:29:07,600
and the attorney are the same to them

3416
02:29:11,429 --> 02:29:09,439
right there's no difference

3417
02:29:13,990 --> 02:29:11,439
i find that part uh absolutely

3418
02:29:16,150 --> 02:29:14,000
extraordinary uh jim stay right there

3419
02:29:17,830 --> 02:29:16,160
we're gonna do some overtime

3420
02:29:19,510 --> 02:29:17,840
and we will do that when we come back

3421
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:19,520
this is fade to black i am your host

3422
02:29:22,070 --> 02:29:21,120
jimmy church tonight our guest is

3423
02:29:25,270 --> 02:29:22,080
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3424
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:25,280
james lowe this is fade to black on the

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3507
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:34,150
[Music]

3508
02:33:37,590 --> 02:33:35,910
welcome back fade to black i am your

3509
02:33:41,349 --> 02:33:37,600
host jimmy church our guest tonight

3510
02:33:42,389 --> 02:33:41,359
attorney james lowe we're heading into

3511
02:33:44,710 --> 02:33:42,399
overtime

3512
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:44,720
and you know what i like to do is you

3513
02:33:47,670 --> 02:33:46,160
know we get to this part of the show

3514
02:33:48,070 --> 02:33:47,680
with the guests instead of taking live

3515
02:33:50,710 --> 02:33:48,080
phone

3516
02:33:51,830 --> 02:33:50,720
calls uh i i you know i just like to get

3517
02:33:55,349 --> 02:33:51,840
a little bit

3518
02:33:58,630 --> 02:33:55,359
some fun here and

3519
02:34:01,750 --> 02:33:58,640
and and jim i actually want to go here

3520
02:34:03,190 --> 02:34:01,760
have you seen the tv show people of

3521
02:34:06,790 --> 02:34:03,200
earth

3522
02:34:11,270 --> 02:34:06,800
yes okay did you laugh

3523
02:34:18,309 --> 02:34:14,469
yes yeah see

3524
02:34:20,070 --> 02:34:18,319
and and uh uh

3525
02:34:21,429 --> 02:34:20,080
i'm sure you were there when i asked

3526
02:34:24,389 --> 02:34:21,439
yvonne last week

3527
02:34:25,429 --> 02:34:24,399
um i said i want i want to come you know

3528
02:34:27,590 --> 02:34:25,439
i want to come to

3529
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:27,600
uh one of your your groups and one of

3530
02:34:30,870 --> 02:34:28,640
your meetings

3531
02:34:31,670 --> 02:34:30,880
and she matter of factly and yvonne and

3532
02:34:33,190 --> 02:34:31,680
i are friends

3533
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:33,200
right she looked right at me i don't

3534
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:36,720
know jimmy are you an experiencer

3535
02:34:39,990 --> 02:34:39,200
and and it reminded me of people of

3536
02:34:43,990 --> 02:34:40,000
earth right

3537
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:44,000
there that this is a serious subject

3538
02:34:50,950 --> 02:34:47,359
um and the members of that

3539
02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:50,960
group uh are there uh

3540
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:54,160
for their own reasons but this isn't

3541
02:34:57,670 --> 02:34:54,960
just some

3542
02:34:59,590 --> 02:34:57,680
public you know lottie dot thing this is

3543
02:35:00,469 --> 02:34:59,600
a a very serious group that gets

3544
02:35:03,830 --> 02:35:00,479
together

3545
02:35:06,550 --> 02:35:03,840
and opens up about their experiences

3546
02:35:07,429 --> 02:35:06,560
much like people of earth and i thought

3547
02:35:10,550 --> 02:35:07,439
to myself

3548
02:35:13,750 --> 02:35:10,560
people of earth this is and this is why

3549
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:13,760
i'm saying this as directly as i can it

3550
02:35:18,870 --> 02:35:15,600
seems that the writers of

3551
02:35:21,990 --> 02:35:18,880
people of earth may have infiltrated

3552
02:35:28,710 --> 02:35:25,270
is he right am i wrong here

3553
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:28,720
yeah i i you know it it it's funny about

3554
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:29,200
that

3555
02:35:33,590 --> 02:35:32,080
show is uh a lot of people think it's

3556
02:35:35,590 --> 02:35:33,600
hilarious and a lot of people are

3557
02:35:36,950 --> 02:35:35,600
offended by it but i just thought it was

3558
02:35:40,550 --> 02:35:36,960
hilarious

3559
02:35:42,630 --> 02:35:40,560
it was too spot on the money

3560
02:35:43,830 --> 02:35:42,640
right that's what makes things funny yes

3561
02:35:46,950 --> 02:35:43,840
yes it was just

3562
02:35:50,630 --> 02:35:46,960
too close to the mark and it was

3563
02:35:51,190 --> 02:35:50,640
not only um and i want to ask you about

3564
02:35:52,870 --> 02:35:51,200
this

3565
02:35:54,469 --> 02:35:52,880
now i know that we can't disclose you

3566
02:35:56,550 --> 02:35:54,479
know what goes on at the

3567
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:56,560
at the group said that's private i and

3568
02:36:01,750 --> 02:35:58,640
i'll respect all of that

3569
02:36:04,790 --> 02:36:01,760
but there are moments there where

3570
02:36:06,790 --> 02:36:04,800
the terminology is corrected

3571
02:36:08,710 --> 02:36:06,800
in the show no that's not what we say we

3572
02:36:11,750 --> 02:36:08,720
we are this or

3573
02:36:15,270 --> 02:36:11,760
um and this interaction that goes on

3574
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:15,280
in the group on the show

3575
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:17,280
that probably happens just like that

3576
02:36:20,870 --> 02:36:18,319
doesn't it uh

3577
02:36:21,670 --> 02:36:20,880
at one of yvonne's group meetings

3578
02:36:26,550 --> 02:36:21,680
without the

3579
02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:26,560
you know the there's a lot of laughing

3580
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:29,200
and stuff but if someone's talking about

3581
02:36:33,670 --> 02:36:31,120
something that's very serious to them

3582
02:36:34,870 --> 02:36:33,680
right people get very serious but you

3583
02:36:38,550 --> 02:36:34,880
know

3584
02:36:39,750 --> 02:36:38,560
any comedy any good comedy is very close

3585
02:36:43,030 --> 02:36:39,760
to the truth

3586
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:43,040
yeah that's right and so the

3587
02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:46,000
the first time that you were going to be

3588
02:36:51,830 --> 02:36:48,160
there with yvonne's group

3589
02:36:55,270 --> 02:36:51,840
um what is going through you

3590
02:36:57,830 --> 02:36:55,280
physically driving up are you anxious

3591
02:36:59,590 --> 02:36:57,840
are you excited are you nervous you

3592
02:36:59,990 --> 02:36:59,600
don't know what to expect what what

3593
02:37:02,150 --> 02:37:00,000
where

3594
02:37:03,510 --> 02:37:02,160
what were you going through i was

3595
02:37:07,510 --> 02:37:03,520
physically shaking

3596
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:07,520
right i was more nervous

3597
02:37:13,910 --> 02:37:10,560
in fact talking about this stuff

3598
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:13,920
i i sort of compare it to different

3599
02:37:19,510 --> 02:37:16,399
levels of nerves

3600
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:19,520
like even tonight's show for me i was my

3601
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:19,920
wife

3602
02:37:23,670 --> 02:37:22,080
keeps telling me you're too nervous calm

3603
02:37:25,830 --> 02:37:23,680
down calm down

3604
02:37:27,270 --> 02:37:25,840
and you know i'm the guy that stood up

3605
02:37:28,309 --> 02:37:27,280
in front of the appellate court to do

3606
02:37:31,190 --> 02:37:28,319
this or that

3607
02:37:31,990 --> 02:37:31,200
you know and you had no issues with that

3608
02:37:36,230 --> 02:37:32,000
no

3609
02:37:39,670 --> 02:37:36,240
and i was a lot of the stuff i

3610
02:37:43,190 --> 02:37:39,680
did near the end of my practice

3611
02:37:45,429 --> 02:37:43,200
last 10 or 12 years is i would be called

3612
02:37:47,750 --> 02:37:45,439
in because there was a problem

3613
02:37:48,870 --> 02:37:47,760
now i may not have been an expert in the

3614
02:37:51,429 --> 02:37:48,880
field

3615
02:37:52,790 --> 02:37:51,439
but i tend to be the calmest person in

3616
02:37:55,910 --> 02:37:52,800
the room

3617
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:55,920
and i i've handled

3618
02:38:02,710 --> 02:37:58,960
several high-profile personnel matters

3619
02:38:05,190 --> 02:38:02,720
for governments and

3620
02:38:05,830 --> 02:38:05,200
i come in and then tell the tell the

3621
02:38:08,630 --> 02:38:05,840
board

3622
02:38:10,950 --> 02:38:08,640
uh that yeah i'll do this but you have

3623
02:38:12,230 --> 02:38:10,960
to let me hire a personnel expert to be

3624
02:38:14,230 --> 02:38:12,240
with me

3625
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:14,240
and so they would still you know in fact

3626
02:38:18,150 --> 02:38:15,840
you could just use them and you don't

3627
02:38:21,590 --> 02:38:18,160
need me

3628
02:38:25,110 --> 02:38:21,600
no and so i'm used to being

3629
02:38:27,750 --> 02:38:25,120
calm in stressful situations yet the

3630
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:27,760
most stress i feel is talking about

3631
02:38:32,790 --> 02:38:29,760
myself for this subject

3632
02:38:36,630 --> 02:38:32,800
and and somebody that is so used to

3633
02:38:40,870 --> 02:38:36,640
being able to get to uh

3634
02:38:43,910 --> 02:38:40,880
calm and in control now you're going to

3635
02:38:45,830 --> 02:38:43,920
your first experiencer group and you've

3636
02:38:49,349 --> 02:38:45,840
got anxiety

3637
02:38:52,550 --> 02:38:49,359
did you ever get over it yes yes

3638
02:38:54,550 --> 02:38:52,560
uh the nice thing about yvonne's group

3639
02:38:56,870 --> 02:38:54,560
is there are veterans in the group that

3640
02:38:58,389 --> 02:38:56,880
have been with her for 25 years

3641
02:39:01,030 --> 02:38:58,399
they don't show up at every meeting

3642
02:39:03,110 --> 02:39:01,040
because it's been 25 years

3643
02:39:04,710 --> 02:39:03,120
but there's always someone there that's

3644
02:39:08,950 --> 02:39:04,720
been there a while

3645
02:39:12,150 --> 02:39:08,960
and they're sort of a calming influence

3646
02:39:15,349 --> 02:39:12,160
one of my favorites of all time uh

3647
02:39:18,630 --> 02:39:15,359
uh charlene mclean just passed away and

3648
02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:18,640
uh it wasn't for her at my first meeting

3649
02:39:23,110 --> 02:39:21,040
i don't think i would have come back

3650
02:39:24,790 --> 02:39:23,120
did you did you speak at the first

3651
02:39:28,150 --> 02:39:24,800
meeting

3652
02:39:30,950 --> 02:39:28,160
yeah yeah i did but i i mostly listened

3653
02:39:31,990 --> 02:39:30,960
right you know because as i heard

3654
02:39:35,830 --> 02:39:32,000
earlier in the show

3655
02:39:39,030 --> 02:39:35,840
listening is is how you learn now

3656
02:39:41,670 --> 02:39:39,040
okay if i'm getting into code of conduct

3657
02:39:42,230 --> 02:39:41,680
uh you can just stop me sure but what do

3658
02:39:46,710 --> 02:39:42,240
you do

3659
02:39:49,349 --> 02:39:46,720
hi my name is jim and i'm an experiencer

3660
02:39:50,070 --> 02:39:49,359
no it's it's a little less it's a little

3661
02:39:53,110 --> 02:39:50,080
more less

3662
02:39:55,110 --> 02:39:53,120
formal than that okay and uh

3663
02:39:57,110 --> 02:39:55,120
but people can talk or they don't have

3664
02:40:01,190 --> 02:39:57,120
to talk that's the one nice thing about

3665
02:40:04,630 --> 02:40:01,200
vaughn uh she's very good

3666
02:40:07,110 --> 02:40:04,640
at disarming people where you know it

3667
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:07,120
takes their nerve level down

3668
02:40:11,349 --> 02:40:10,000
and so she can get me she can get me to

3669
02:40:14,950 --> 02:40:11,359
say anything

3670
02:40:18,070 --> 02:40:14,960
she is she has that ability

3671
02:40:21,349 --> 02:40:18,080
uh to to let you know that she's honest

3672
02:40:22,150 --> 02:40:21,359
which she is right and that everything

3673
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:22,160
is okay

3674
02:40:25,910 --> 02:40:24,880
and yeah i could i could definitely see

3675
02:40:29,110 --> 02:40:25,920
her

3676
02:40:32,230 --> 02:40:29,120
uh getting everybody centered

3677
02:40:34,150 --> 02:40:32,240
and when she regressed me you know

3678
02:40:35,990 --> 02:40:34,160
people talk about planning false

3679
02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:36,000
memories and all that

3680
02:40:41,910 --> 02:40:39,040
i could have used her in depth in

3681
02:40:44,550 --> 02:40:41,920
in what we call discovery depositions

3682
02:40:46,870 --> 02:40:44,560
where we just want to know what happened

3683
02:40:48,630 --> 02:40:46,880
she would have been a perfect attorney

3684
02:40:49,830 --> 02:40:48,640
doing that kind of stuff because she's

3685
02:40:53,110 --> 02:40:49,840
got a

3686
02:40:56,230 --> 02:40:53,120
very calm demeanor even in a

3687
02:40:59,510 --> 02:40:56,240
opposing hostile witness

3688
02:41:02,230 --> 02:40:59,520
will eventually melt yes listen you know

3689
02:41:03,030 --> 02:41:02,240
and so you know it's the perfect group

3690
02:41:04,630 --> 02:41:03,040
uh

3691
02:41:06,630 --> 02:41:04,640
you know she's not the you know southern

3692
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:06,640
california has several people that are

3693
02:41:10,070 --> 02:41:07,120
good

3694
02:41:11,750 --> 02:41:10,080
you know uh but yvonne's just the one

3695
02:41:14,230 --> 02:41:11,760
that i happen to see

3696
02:41:15,670 --> 02:41:14,240
and uh it's been it's been really good

3697
02:41:17,830 --> 02:41:15,680
and you have to remember

3698
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:17,840
that even those people that have been

3699
02:41:21,429 --> 02:41:20,479
there 25 years had their first meeting

3700
02:41:24,309 --> 02:41:21,439
too

3701
02:41:25,030 --> 02:41:24,319
yeah yeah totally totally totally yeah

3702
02:41:28,070 --> 02:41:25,040
so it's

3703
02:41:29,910 --> 02:41:28,080
it's not quite it's not as it's not you

3704
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:29,920
know while there's joking

3705
02:41:33,670 --> 02:41:32,880
it's not quite as comedic as people of

3706
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:33,680
earth

3707
02:41:39,990 --> 02:41:36,720
but uh you know you

3708
02:41:43,590 --> 02:41:40,000
it's a very welcoming environment and

3709
02:41:47,349 --> 02:41:43,600
uh take me through um

3710
02:41:48,950 --> 02:41:47,359
the first time where you you opened up

3711
02:41:51,349 --> 02:41:48,960
right the stuff that you just never

3712
02:41:53,670 --> 02:41:51,359
discussed with anybody and then

3713
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:53,680
and then you just let it go take me

3714
02:41:57,670 --> 02:41:55,439
through that day

3715
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:57,680
well you know getting there being very

3716
02:42:02,630 --> 02:41:59,040
nervous

3717
02:42:04,630 --> 02:42:02,640
to uh even be there you know because

3718
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:04,640
i could walk in a room and there could

3719
02:42:07,990 --> 02:42:06,960
be someone who happens to go to a city

3720
02:42:10,710 --> 02:42:08,000
council meeting

3721
02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:10,720
that would recognize me and so every

3722
02:42:16,070 --> 02:42:12,800
place i'd go with this

3723
02:42:19,110 --> 02:42:16,080
uh because i went to a mufon conference

3724
02:42:20,389 --> 02:42:19,120
in 2012 and sat in the back room and

3725
02:42:23,510 --> 02:42:20,399
pretty much

3726
02:42:25,429 --> 02:42:23,520
hid myself and so because i didn't want

3727
02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:25,439
to run into somebody

3728
02:42:30,469 --> 02:42:28,720
and so sitting there and listening to

3729
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:30,479
people talk back and forth

3730
02:42:34,469 --> 02:42:32,960
it took me a while to relax enough to

3731
02:42:37,910 --> 02:42:34,479
talk myself

3732
02:42:39,510 --> 02:42:37,920
and then people you know would say

3733
02:42:41,030 --> 02:42:39,520
well that's interesting i've had

3734
02:42:44,070 --> 02:42:41,040
something similar

3735
02:42:45,910 --> 02:42:44,080
you know uh but it's a little different

3736
02:42:47,110 --> 02:42:45,920
uh and then someone else say yeah that's

3737
02:42:49,910 --> 02:42:47,120
what happens

3738
02:42:50,870 --> 02:42:49,920
and one thing i said that really caught

3739
02:42:53,110 --> 02:42:50,880
me is

3740
02:42:54,469 --> 02:42:53,120
i was talking about you know i looked

3741
02:42:57,910 --> 02:42:54,479
over at the clock and it was

3742
02:42:58,230 --> 02:42:57,920
it was 1 11 in the morning and everyone

3743
02:43:02,070 --> 02:42:58,240
just

3744
02:43:03,670 --> 02:43:02,080
busted out laughing yeah no surprise to

3745
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:03,680
me

3746
02:43:10,790 --> 02:43:09,200
and then and then everyone and then they

3747
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:10,800
start joking well ours

3748
02:43:17,990 --> 02:43:13,840
mine's 333 minus this mine's that

3749
02:43:21,830 --> 02:43:18,000
minus 222 minus 12 34. and so

3750
02:43:24,469 --> 02:43:21,840
it it it it that's when i

3751
02:43:28,230 --> 02:43:24,479
my my blood pressure went dropped about

3752
02:43:32,309 --> 02:43:31,190
and afterwards did you feel a sense of

3753
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:32,319
relief

3754
02:43:38,150 --> 02:43:36,000
yes i felt like a limp dish rag

3755
02:43:39,990 --> 02:43:38,160
driving home sure sure i could only

3756
02:43:42,710 --> 02:43:40,000
imagine um

3757
02:43:44,790 --> 02:43:42,720
uh going back to the recognition thing i

3758
02:43:47,269 --> 02:43:44,800
i just have to tell the audience this

3759
02:43:47,830 --> 02:43:47,279
i think i said to jim three times after

3760
02:43:52,070 --> 02:43:47,840
we met

3761
02:43:53,750 --> 02:43:52,080
dude i know you right

3762
02:43:56,469 --> 02:43:53,760
how many i said that like three times

3763
02:43:59,910 --> 02:43:56,479
we've met now quit messing with me

3764
02:44:02,630 --> 02:43:59,920
and you said no i said no no no

3765
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:02,640
no but yeah you must get that a lot

3766
02:44:05,190 --> 02:44:03,200
because

3767
02:44:06,870 --> 02:44:05,200
i tried to get that out of you but you

3768
02:44:08,469 --> 02:44:06,880
insisted that we had never met before

3769
02:44:11,670 --> 02:44:08,479
i'm still not convinced

3770
02:44:13,110 --> 02:44:11,680
i don't recall um

3771
02:44:15,190 --> 02:44:13,120
you know i've been i've been at

3772
02:44:17,190 --> 02:44:15,200
conferences where you're there but

3773
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:17,200
there's always 20 or 30 people around

3774
02:44:21,429 --> 02:44:18,560
your table

3775
02:44:22,389 --> 02:44:21,439
and uh so i just walk over to vaughn's

3776
02:44:24,309 --> 02:44:22,399
table and

3777
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:24,319
and i would sit at a vaughn's table

3778
02:44:28,710 --> 02:44:26,399
while she's doing regressions

3779
02:44:30,630 --> 02:44:28,720
telling people no i can sell the book

3780
02:44:32,469 --> 02:44:30,640
but i can't sign it for a vaughn oh i'll

3781
02:44:34,469 --> 02:44:32,479
come back later all right

3782
02:44:35,670 --> 02:44:34,479
that's basically what i would do for

3783
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:35,680
three hours

3784
02:44:42,790 --> 02:44:39,600
and now you've been uh you've been

3785
02:44:46,150 --> 02:44:42,800
uh with the von since 2014

3786
02:44:48,150 --> 02:44:46,160
yes 2013 2014 right

3787
02:44:49,429 --> 02:44:48,160
right in there right after that grant

3788
02:44:52,230 --> 02:44:49,439
cameron right

3789
02:44:53,510 --> 02:44:52,240
and and you live down in san diego

3790
02:44:56,550 --> 02:44:53,520
yvonne's up here near

3791
02:45:00,550 --> 02:44:56,560
us that's a long commute do you do this

3792
02:45:04,070 --> 02:45:00,560
uh every month no no i used to

3793
02:45:05,429 --> 02:45:04,080
and in fact i don't uh as i get older i

3794
02:45:07,830 --> 02:45:05,439
don't drive as much

3795
02:45:09,269 --> 02:45:07,840
you know i try to try to try to stay

3796
02:45:11,269 --> 02:45:09,279
closer to home and so

3797
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:11,279
i don't go that often in fact i haven't

3798
02:45:14,309 --> 02:45:13,359
gone well obviously i haven't gone in a

3799
02:45:18,150 --> 02:45:14,319
while

3800
02:45:19,030 --> 02:45:18,160
uh but um you know but it's nice to pop

3801
02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:19,040
in every

3802
02:45:22,550 --> 02:45:21,600
see there's there's a group probably

3803
02:45:25,030 --> 02:45:22,560
yvonne's got

3804
02:45:27,190 --> 02:45:25,040
500 or a thousand people that have that

3805
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:27,200
claim they remember as a cerro

3806
02:45:33,830 --> 02:45:30,240
but most but at your average meaning

3807
02:45:37,429 --> 02:45:33,840
you know it's anywhere from 10 to 30.

3808
02:45:40,710 --> 02:45:37,439
now when you are listening

3809
02:45:43,910 --> 02:45:40,720
uh to other experiencers

3810
02:45:45,190 --> 02:45:43,920
are there little details that maybe even

3811
02:45:48,389 --> 02:45:45,200
ivan doesn't know

3812
02:45:51,429 --> 02:45:48,399
right things that you've never shared

3813
02:45:54,150 --> 02:45:51,439
that you hear in the meeting

3814
02:45:55,510 --> 02:45:54,160
where you go oh holy crap i thought that

3815
02:45:59,190 --> 02:45:55,520
was only me

3816
02:45:59,990 --> 02:45:59,200
i've i've had several holy crap moments

3817
02:46:02,630 --> 02:46:00,000
yes

3818
02:46:06,389 --> 02:46:02,640
[Laughter]

3819
02:46:10,150 --> 02:46:06,399
can i get one holy crap moment oh

3820
02:46:12,550 --> 02:46:10,160
boy i'll think of it now but it's after

3821
02:46:14,710 --> 02:46:12,560
my bedtime i can't really remember but

3822
02:46:15,750 --> 02:46:14,720
there are times where something has

3823
02:46:18,230 --> 02:46:15,760
happened to them

3824
02:46:18,950 --> 02:46:18,240
well the first one was the timing you

3825
02:46:22,870 --> 02:46:18,960
know the

3826
02:46:25,990 --> 02:46:22,880
old 111 the clocks yes yeah yeah

3827
02:46:28,710 --> 02:46:26,000
and uh so that that kind of thing

3828
02:46:30,309 --> 02:46:28,720
hit me and that's what made me relax

3829
02:46:31,830 --> 02:46:30,319
that's probably the one that stands out

3830
02:46:35,429 --> 02:46:31,840
most in my mind

3831
02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:35,439
do you feel that um in in a group

3832
02:46:38,469 --> 02:46:36,000
setting

3833
02:46:40,469 --> 02:46:38,479
and i bring this up because it is a

3834
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:40,479
little detail that kind of followed

3835
02:46:45,750 --> 02:46:41,920
through people of earth

3836
02:46:49,030 --> 02:46:45,760
little subplot but um

3837
02:46:51,190 --> 02:46:49,040
some people just may be

3838
02:46:52,150 --> 02:46:51,200
looking for attention maybe they've made

3839
02:46:55,670 --> 02:46:52,160
up this entire

3840
02:46:59,030 --> 02:46:55,680
thing and and it's

3841
02:47:00,309 --> 02:46:59,040
funny how other experiences are laser

3842
02:47:03,510 --> 02:47:00,319
focused

3843
02:47:06,630 --> 02:47:03,520
on somebody's experience because

3844
02:47:09,110 --> 02:47:06,640
they don't want to be bs right

3845
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:09,120
you don't want to be taken on a ride and

3846
02:47:13,590 --> 02:47:09,760
then

3847
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:13,600
there's a detail that pops up right and

3848
02:47:18,830 --> 02:47:16,399
have you gone through that where oh okay

3849
02:47:19,990 --> 02:47:18,840
no they have gone through this

3850
02:47:22,230 --> 02:47:20,000
experience

3851
02:47:23,349 --> 02:47:22,240
yvonne does a pretty good job of vetting

3852
02:47:25,670 --> 02:47:23,359
people yes yes

3853
02:47:27,190 --> 02:47:25,680
and so by the time they get to our

3854
02:47:28,950 --> 02:47:27,200
support group

3855
02:47:31,590 --> 02:47:28,960
you know they're pretty well vetted that

3856
02:47:35,190 --> 02:47:31,600
they've had some sort of experience

3857
02:47:38,630 --> 02:47:35,200
and so i really can't remember

3858
02:47:39,670 --> 02:47:38,640
a time where somebody is you know just

3859
02:47:42,870 --> 02:47:39,680
making it up

3860
02:47:45,190 --> 02:47:42,880
infiltrated yeah yeah

3861
02:47:47,110 --> 02:47:45,200
you you could tell because there are a

3862
02:47:47,990 --> 02:47:47,120
lot of little things like the time thing

3863
02:47:49,990 --> 02:47:48,000
i said but

3864
02:47:51,349 --> 02:47:50,000
there are a lot of little things that

3865
02:47:53,190 --> 02:47:51,359
people notice

3866
02:47:54,630 --> 02:47:53,200
and you're talking about it just certain

3867
02:47:57,830 --> 02:47:54,640
no matter who's there

3868
02:48:00,950 --> 02:47:57,840
it's a very discerning group

3869
02:48:03,990 --> 02:48:00,960
i mean on all the details and

3870
02:48:07,510 --> 02:48:04,000
it's not just that it's

3871
02:48:10,550 --> 02:48:07,520
i i don't feel i am but a lot

3872
02:48:12,230 --> 02:48:10,560
the more people have had contact because

3873
02:48:14,389 --> 02:48:12,240
when you go on these ships you're going

3874
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:14,399
to another reality

3875
02:48:20,950 --> 02:48:17,920
and you come back and some people have

3876
02:48:22,710 --> 02:48:20,960
you know different side effects uh minor

3877
02:48:25,030 --> 02:48:22,720
electrical disturbances

3878
02:48:26,230 --> 02:48:25,040
other people like you know they're not

3879
02:48:27,750 --> 02:48:26,240
going to remember they're not going to

3880
02:48:29,349 --> 02:48:27,760
know who's going to win the next

3881
02:48:31,830 --> 02:48:29,359
kentucky derby

3882
02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:31,840
but they'll have psychic impressions

3883
02:48:35,670 --> 02:48:33,200
about people

3884
02:48:36,469 --> 02:48:35,680
and there's a couple members of the

3885
02:48:38,790 --> 02:48:36,479
group that

3886
02:48:40,389 --> 02:48:38,800
will say i don't i don't get a very good

3887
02:48:44,389 --> 02:48:40,399
vibe out of that person

3888
02:48:46,630 --> 02:48:44,399
and when they do it's invariably someone

3889
02:48:48,150 --> 02:48:46,640
who is either whether they've had

3890
02:48:51,590 --> 02:48:48,160
experiences or not

3891
02:48:54,950 --> 02:48:51,600
are in it for themselves and so

3892
02:48:56,389 --> 02:48:54,960
you know you don't you know yvonne

3893
02:48:59,590 --> 02:48:56,399
doesn't boot people out

3894
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:59,600
you know but you can usually take some

3895
02:49:04,870 --> 02:49:01,359
people with a grain of salt

3896
02:49:07,670 --> 02:49:04,880
uh because there's some kind some people

3897
02:49:08,870 --> 02:49:07,680
like we have debates sometimes with a

3898
02:49:12,150 --> 02:49:08,880
friend of mine

3899
02:49:15,110 --> 02:49:12,160
about um oh um

3900
02:49:16,309 --> 02:49:15,120
what's the guy out of vista in the 50s

3901
02:49:18,950 --> 02:49:16,319
the contact e

3902
02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:18,960
i can't think of his name now uh oh oh

3903
02:49:28,710 --> 02:49:19,359
the

3904
02:49:30,309 --> 02:49:28,720
well i wrote about him in my book and i

3905
02:49:31,429 --> 02:49:30,319
can't remember so you know it's past my

3906
02:49:34,550 --> 02:49:31,439
bedtime

3907
02:49:37,750 --> 02:49:34,560
uh he was at palomar observatory yes

3908
02:49:38,630 --> 02:49:37,760
exactly well you know he he probably had

3909
02:49:41,429 --> 02:49:38,640
an experience

3910
02:49:42,790 --> 02:49:41,439
but just you know in my opinion he kept

3911
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:42,800
embellishing

3912
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:46,319
and so you know people do that you know

3913
02:49:49,510 --> 02:49:48,720
sometimes and so there are some people

3914
02:49:52,070 --> 02:49:49,520
like that

3915
02:49:53,750 --> 02:49:52,080
but you you when you're in a group for

3916
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:53,760
years or something you sort of pick up

3917
02:49:57,830 --> 02:49:54,800
on it like

3918
02:49:58,550 --> 02:49:57,840
you know whenever someone okay i saw two

3919
02:50:00,790 --> 02:49:58,560
orbs

3920
02:50:02,150 --> 02:50:00,800
in my room and they were floating around

3921
02:50:03,830 --> 02:50:02,160
and it was amazing

3922
02:50:06,550 --> 02:50:03,840
and then they raised their hand i saw

3923
02:50:08,950 --> 02:50:06,560
six you know that kind of thing

3924
02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:08,960
and so there there are you know you can

3925
02:50:11,349 --> 02:50:10,640
you and then you see looks around the

3926
02:50:13,830 --> 02:50:11,359
room

3927
02:50:15,590 --> 02:50:13,840
you know that person is is an

3928
02:50:17,429 --> 02:50:15,600
experiencer but

3929
02:50:19,349 --> 02:50:17,439
they have a personality that might

3930
02:50:22,950 --> 02:50:19,359
embellish a little bit

3931
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:22,960
and uh now you just said

3932
02:50:27,269 --> 02:50:25,840
uh and he mentioned it i i let it go

3933
02:50:29,990 --> 02:50:27,279
earlier because we were deep in

3934
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:30,000
conversation but you just said

3935
02:50:36,230 --> 02:50:34,240
when we go on the ships

3936
02:50:38,309 --> 02:50:36,240
when when something like that is said

3937
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:38,319
immediately the audience wants to know

3938
02:50:41,269 --> 02:50:40,880
the details and sometimes the host will

3939
02:50:44,469 --> 02:50:41,279
go

3940
02:50:47,590 --> 02:50:44,479
and and and and get into this

3941
02:50:50,389 --> 02:50:47,600
but when you say something like that is

3942
02:50:51,990 --> 02:50:50,399
this something that you consciously

3943
02:50:54,469 --> 02:50:52,000
experienced

3944
02:50:56,469 --> 02:50:54,479
and and and went through this just like

3945
02:50:58,230 --> 02:50:56,479
you and i are talking right now

3946
02:51:00,630 --> 02:50:58,240
or was this something that was pulled

3947
02:51:03,750 --> 02:51:00,640
out of regression

3948
02:51:05,269 --> 02:51:03,760
uh i have i have one thing that was

3949
02:51:09,110 --> 02:51:05,279
pulled out of regression

3950
02:51:10,790 --> 02:51:09,120
george adamski yes it just came to me

3951
02:51:13,670 --> 02:51:10,800
right then

3952
02:51:13,990 --> 02:51:13,680
george adamski thank you because i would

3953
02:51:16,150 --> 02:51:14,000
have

3954
02:51:18,150 --> 02:51:16,160
woken up at 2 a.m and said george

3955
02:51:19,990 --> 02:51:18,160
adamski and my

3956
02:51:21,830 --> 02:51:20,000
that was that was the universe just

3957
02:51:23,269 --> 02:51:21,840
plugging into me at this moment to make

3958
02:51:26,950 --> 02:51:23,279
sure that we got that out

3959
02:51:29,510 --> 02:51:26,960
okay george adamski okay so back to

3960
02:51:30,710 --> 02:51:29,520
back to being on a ship speaking of

3961
02:51:33,830 --> 02:51:30,720
george adamski

3962
02:51:34,389 --> 02:51:33,840
there you go all right though there were

3963
02:51:38,150 --> 02:51:34,399
no

3964
02:51:45,110 --> 02:51:38,160
beautiful venusian women on in

3965
02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:48,710
get to one memory that

3966
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:52,720
was pretty consistent

3967
02:51:59,750 --> 02:51:56,160
all my i i had conscious memories

3968
02:52:02,070 --> 02:51:59,760
up until you know being

3969
02:52:04,790 --> 02:52:02,080
taken and then i have conscious memories

3970
02:52:08,150 --> 02:52:04,800
of the second they put me down

3971
02:52:11,830 --> 02:52:08,160
because i was standing on my front

3972
02:52:15,349 --> 02:52:11,840
walkway to my house it was 40 degrees i

3973
02:52:19,269 --> 02:52:15,359
was in my boxer shorts and t-shirt

3974
02:52:20,070 --> 02:52:19,279
and since i was in my boxer shorts and

3975
02:52:22,309 --> 02:52:20,080
t-shirt

3976
02:52:23,429 --> 02:52:22,319
there was a brilliant light shining on

3977
02:52:27,990 --> 02:52:23,439
me from maybe

3978
02:52:30,230 --> 02:52:28,000
10 feet above and

3979
02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:30,240
that light i looked around at the houses

3980
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:31,760
around we lived on a

3981
02:52:38,070 --> 02:52:35,040
corner uh you know a bend in the street

3982
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:38,080
uh where the where we had frontage on

3983
02:52:41,429 --> 02:52:39,600
both on two sides

3984
02:52:43,670 --> 02:52:41,439
right i looked around and none of the

3985
02:52:47,269 --> 02:52:43,680
the houses around were all dark

3986
02:52:50,469 --> 02:52:47,279
yet i was in in light brighter than

3987
02:52:53,510 --> 02:52:50,479
noonday sun and

3988
02:52:56,070 --> 02:52:53,520
it's i just came alert and i s

3989
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:56,080
and i said to my i said out loud to

3990
02:53:00,389 --> 02:52:57,279
myself

3991
02:53:04,070 --> 02:53:00,399
so that's what they look like and i'm

3992
02:53:05,190 --> 02:53:04,080
40 some years old at that time and so i

3993
02:53:09,110 --> 02:53:05,200
say that

3994
02:53:13,269 --> 02:53:09,120
and then do i look up no

3995
02:53:16,309 --> 02:53:13,279
i just walk into the house i realize

3996
02:53:18,630 --> 02:53:16,319
i've got to remember all this and

3997
02:53:19,510 --> 02:53:18,640
i could feel the wind was blowing from

3998
02:53:22,950 --> 02:53:19,520
the north

3999
02:53:25,030 --> 02:53:22,960
i could feel the hairs of my leg moving

4000
02:53:26,150 --> 02:53:25,040
i could feel my feet stepping on the

4001
02:53:29,429 --> 02:53:26,160
concrete

4002
02:53:29,910 --> 02:53:29,439
sidewalk i looked over and there were

4003
02:53:31,910 --> 02:53:29,920
two

4004
02:53:33,990 --> 02:53:31,920
chairs on the front porch that are

4005
02:53:35,110 --> 02:53:34,000
normally in the backyard most of the

4006
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:35,120
time

4007
02:53:38,710 --> 02:53:36,800
and then i went to the door and grabbed

4008
02:53:41,910 --> 02:53:38,720
the handle and then i thought

4009
02:53:42,389 --> 02:53:41,920
god i hope this thing's open walk in the

4010
02:53:46,630 --> 02:53:42,399
house

4011
02:53:49,910 --> 02:53:46,640
my crazy dalmatian doesn't start barking

4012
02:53:52,309 --> 02:53:49,920
like like a lunatic like she always does

4013
02:53:54,710 --> 02:53:52,319
go into the bedroom and go to bed

4014
02:53:57,510 --> 02:53:54,720
without even looking up

4015
02:53:57,830 --> 02:53:57,520
i had an experience about five years ago

4016
02:53:59,910 --> 02:53:57,840
oh

4017
02:54:01,269 --> 02:53:59,920
ho ho ho whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa i'm

4018
02:54:05,269 --> 02:54:01,279
not letting this go

4019
02:54:07,190 --> 02:54:05,279
no you said to yourself

4020
02:54:08,550 --> 02:54:07,200
that's what they look like and you've

4021
02:54:12,230 --> 02:54:08,560
got to remember

4022
02:54:13,830 --> 02:54:12,240
everything yep right okay you wake up in

4023
02:54:16,950 --> 02:54:13,840
the morning

4024
02:54:19,269 --> 02:54:16,960
what did you remember uh

4025
02:54:20,389 --> 02:54:19,279
i didn't remember anything well i

4026
02:54:23,670 --> 02:54:20,399
remembered it

4027
02:54:26,230 --> 02:54:23,680
but when i woke up in the morning

4028
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:26,240
i wasn't it wasn't dizzy like spinning

4029
02:54:29,750 --> 02:54:27,600
around

4030
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:29,760
what was happening is the whole world

4031
02:54:34,630 --> 02:54:31,760
was moving from left to right

4032
02:54:35,670 --> 02:54:34,640
and then it would start again i must

4033
02:54:39,990 --> 02:54:35,680
have thrown up

4034
02:54:43,110 --> 02:54:40,000
200 times that morning

4035
02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:43,120
and it was interesting because

4036
02:54:48,630 --> 02:54:46,479
i had scheduled myself this was very

4037
02:54:50,630 --> 02:54:48,640
unusual i had scheduled myself out of

4038
02:54:51,349 --> 02:54:50,640
work i was a solo practitioner at the

4039
02:54:53,190 --> 02:54:51,359
time

4040
02:54:55,030 --> 02:54:53,200
i had scheduled myself out of work for

4041
02:54:57,030 --> 02:54:55,040
two weeks i was going to go to the

4042
02:54:57,990 --> 02:54:57,040
league of california city's annual

4043
02:54:59,349 --> 02:54:58,000
conference

4044
02:55:01,590 --> 02:54:59,359
and then i was going to do something i

4045
02:55:02,950 --> 02:55:01,600
didn't i never did when i was down in

4046
02:55:05,349 --> 02:55:02,960
l.a i was going to go to the

4047
02:55:07,910 --> 02:55:05,359
state bar conference too and so i booked

4048
02:55:09,830 --> 02:55:07,920
conferences back to back since

4049
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:09,840
they're they weren't going to need me at

4050
02:55:14,070 --> 02:55:11,840
city hall for a couple weeks because

4051
02:55:18,230 --> 02:55:14,080
there was an election coming up

4052
02:55:20,630 --> 02:55:18,240
and so um i was off

4053
02:55:22,790 --> 02:55:20,640
so my calendar had this big hole in it

4054
02:55:26,070 --> 02:55:22,800
and i am totally sick i go

4055
02:55:29,349 --> 02:55:26,080
my wife gets me into my doctor he says

4056
02:55:32,630 --> 02:55:29,359
that i've either caught a virus or i've

4057
02:55:38,150 --> 02:55:32,640
had a blow to the head

4058
02:55:41,429 --> 02:55:38,160
and i was i couldn't drive for two weeks

4059
02:55:44,790 --> 02:55:41,439
after that whenever when after about two

4060
02:55:45,830 --> 02:55:44,800
weeks when i could see again i looked in

4061
02:55:49,269 --> 02:55:45,840
my

4062
02:55:52,550 --> 02:55:49,279
in the mirror and i had two

4063
02:55:53,750 --> 02:55:52,560
scars i don't know if you can see them

4064
02:55:57,110 --> 02:55:53,760
but right

4065
02:56:00,550 --> 02:55:57,120
right above my left eye i see them yes

4066
02:56:04,230 --> 02:56:00,560
going going to my going to my scalp well

4067
02:56:04,870 --> 02:56:04,240
scars you know or wrinkles or whatever

4068
02:56:07,910 --> 02:56:04,880
they form

4069
02:56:12,230 --> 02:56:07,920
gradually this just bam just

4070
02:56:14,790 --> 02:56:12,240
appeared right away and i had a picture

4071
02:56:16,309 --> 02:56:14,800
that my wife about a year later had

4072
02:56:19,670 --> 02:56:16,319
blown up

4073
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:19,680
and it was taken a a year before this

4074
02:56:25,349 --> 02:56:22,800
and she blew it up for my 50th birthday

4075
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:25,359
and put them put them all on popsicle

4076
02:56:28,710 --> 02:56:26,720
sticks so when i walked in the

4077
02:56:29,429 --> 02:56:28,720
restaurant everyone was wearing jim low

4078
02:56:33,110 --> 02:56:29,439
faces

4079
02:56:35,349 --> 02:56:33,120
which scared the crap out of me and uh

4080
02:56:36,870 --> 02:56:35,359
and i looked at it and i didn't there

4081
02:56:40,230 --> 02:56:36,880
wasn't anything there

4082
02:56:43,910 --> 02:56:40,240
it was just you know just regular skin

4083
02:56:45,670 --> 02:56:43,920
no no scar no nothing and so this showed

4084
02:56:48,950 --> 02:56:45,680
up later

4085
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:48,960
yvonne agress regressed me back

4086
02:56:57,510 --> 02:56:54,160
and i was able to see

4087
02:57:00,389 --> 02:56:57,520
i was first my body just went frozen and

4088
02:57:04,309 --> 02:57:00,399
i couldn't even move my arm

4089
02:57:07,510 --> 02:57:04,319
while i'm laying on the couch um

4090
02:57:11,030 --> 02:57:07,520
then i could see my eyes were

4091
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:11,040
almost shut but i could see a little bit

4092
02:57:14,230 --> 02:57:12,160
through the slits

4093
02:57:15,910 --> 02:57:14,240
and there because the light was so

4094
02:57:19,269 --> 02:57:15,920
bright outside

4095
02:57:22,469 --> 02:57:19,279
of you know of my head where i was

4096
02:57:26,469 --> 02:57:22,479
laying there frozen

4097
02:57:29,510 --> 02:57:26,479
and i could see the top half of a

4098
02:57:34,469 --> 02:57:29,520
large eyed typical wrap around

4099
02:57:37,910 --> 02:57:36,870
so i could see it and then i i saw and

4100
02:57:41,670 --> 02:57:37,920
then i saw this

4101
02:57:43,510 --> 02:57:41,680
like boomerang shape object go like this

4102
02:57:45,510 --> 02:57:43,520
in front of me and i just saw the shadow

4103
02:57:49,510 --> 02:57:45,520
of it go

4104
02:57:52,550 --> 02:57:49,520
and then then i went numb in that area

4105
02:57:55,030 --> 02:57:52,560
and then about a minute later

4106
02:57:58,150 --> 02:57:55,040
i i saw the same boomerang shape object

4107
02:58:01,269 --> 02:57:58,160
go the opposite direction

4108
02:58:04,230 --> 02:58:01,279
and then i gradually lost the

4109
02:58:05,990 --> 02:58:04,240
the numbness the the pair being

4110
02:58:09,030 --> 02:58:06,000
paralyzed

4111
02:58:10,389 --> 02:58:09,040
and that was the last i remember yvonne

4112
02:58:13,990 --> 02:58:10,399
had me draw a picture

4113
02:58:16,630 --> 02:58:14,000
of the alien and so i drew it

4114
02:58:17,510 --> 02:58:16,640
and it just didn't look right but i i

4115
02:58:19,830 --> 02:58:17,520
had to guess

4116
02:58:22,790 --> 02:58:19,840
what the chin looked like in the the

4117
02:58:26,469 --> 02:58:25,750
and i and i drew it and and gave it to

4118
02:58:29,269 --> 02:58:26,479
her and

4119
02:58:30,150 --> 02:58:29,279
kept a copy for myself i'm a terrible

4120
02:58:33,429 --> 02:58:30,160
artist but

4121
02:58:37,510 --> 02:58:33,439
it just didn't just didn't fit

4122
02:58:40,950 --> 02:58:37,520
so i go home and

4123
02:58:43,030 --> 02:58:40,960
uh that night and i'm reading

4124
02:58:44,710 --> 02:58:43,040
i just finished a book and i'm always

4125
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:44,720
reading two or three books

4126
02:58:48,150 --> 02:58:47,520
and i didn't have another one a new book

4127
02:58:50,150 --> 02:58:48,160
so i go

4128
02:58:51,349 --> 02:58:50,160
i tend to go to my bookshelf and look

4129
02:58:53,349 --> 02:58:51,359
for a book that

4130
02:58:55,030 --> 02:58:53,359
has a bookmark in it because that's a

4131
02:58:57,590 --> 02:58:55,040
book i picked up

4132
02:58:59,349 --> 02:58:57,600
read then for some reason put it down

4133
02:59:01,590 --> 02:58:59,359
and so i always leave bookmarks in my

4134
02:59:06,870 --> 02:59:01,600
book

4135
02:59:09,990 --> 02:59:06,880
it was the end of the chapter

4136
02:59:11,590 --> 02:59:10,000
and i shut it up and figured i'll start

4137
02:59:13,990 --> 02:59:11,600
it the next morning

4138
02:59:15,110 --> 02:59:14,000
so the next morning at breakfast i'm i

4139
02:59:18,230 --> 02:59:15,120
pick it up it's

4140
02:59:20,950 --> 02:59:18,240
whitley streepers communion letters

4141
02:59:21,990 --> 02:59:20,960
and i look at the i look at the receipt

4142
02:59:25,830 --> 02:59:22,000
for it

4143
02:59:27,510 --> 02:59:25,840
and it's 1997 a year before this

4144
02:59:30,630 --> 02:59:27,520
happened

4145
02:59:33,110 --> 02:59:30,640
i read the next chapter it's a story

4146
02:59:37,590 --> 02:59:33,120
about a guy who wrote to whitley

4147
02:59:40,950 --> 02:59:37,600
who said he was taken by

4148
02:59:44,309 --> 02:59:40,960
grays put on a table

4149
02:59:47,110 --> 02:59:44,319
they fro you know they

4150
02:59:49,190 --> 02:59:47,120
made it where he couldn't move they used

4151
02:59:51,110 --> 02:59:49,200
this boomerang type object

4152
02:59:53,990 --> 02:59:51,120
and they spun it one direction three

4153
02:59:57,510 --> 02:59:54,000
times and it cut open

4154
02:59:58,070 --> 02:59:57,520
his head at that point they put

4155
03:00:01,269 --> 02:59:58,080
something

4156
03:00:03,990 --> 03:00:01,279
in it and then they closed it again

4157
03:00:05,750 --> 03:00:04,000
and i'm reading that and i'm going well

4158
03:00:08,150 --> 03:00:05,760
i won't say what i said

4159
03:00:09,190 --> 03:00:08,160
uh you may have children listening to

4160
03:00:11,910 --> 03:00:09,200
this but

4161
03:00:13,510 --> 03:00:11,920
it was exactly what happened to me it

4162
03:00:15,990 --> 03:00:13,520
was the exact same thing

4163
03:00:18,389 --> 03:00:16,000
and this is a book i bought in 1997

4164
03:00:21,750 --> 03:00:18,399
stopped reading at that point

4165
03:00:23,429 --> 03:00:21,760
and then pick it up in 2015 or 16 or

4166
03:00:27,349 --> 03:00:23,439
whatever that was

4167
03:00:30,389 --> 03:00:27,359
and so little things like that tell me

4168
03:00:32,950 --> 03:00:30,399
that you know they give me as much

4169
03:00:33,429 --> 03:00:32,960
credibility for myself maybe not for

4170
03:00:35,429 --> 03:00:33,439
others

4171
03:00:38,150 --> 03:00:35,439
that's all that happens right that's i

4172
03:00:40,309 --> 03:00:38,160
don't care right right i don't care

4173
03:00:41,190 --> 03:00:40,319
you know i care i care about myself

4174
03:00:45,110 --> 03:00:41,200
knowing

4175
03:00:45,670 --> 03:00:45,120
you know james what a great conversation

4176
03:00:47,510 --> 03:00:45,680
tonight

4177
03:00:49,269 --> 03:00:47,520
i knew the show was going to be this

4178
03:00:51,429 --> 03:00:49,279
great but thank you

4179
03:00:53,670 --> 03:00:51,439
and the new book is called the ufo

4180
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briefing book a guide to congressional

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oversight

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of the uap phenomenon and as soon as the

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book is released and available

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i will let everybody know jim thank you

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so much give my best to yvonne and your

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wife

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and and thank you for everything thank

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you

4189
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great i really enjoyed it it was a great

4190
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conversation jim thank you so much

4191
03:01:16,389 --> 03:01:14,960
and uh where can everybody reach out to

4192
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you

4193
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uh well i i actually have a website and

4194
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it is

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jplufo.com

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thank you so much jim i'll put that up

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in twitter right now

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fade to black's executive producer is

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rita kamarian shows produced by hill j

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palmer renee dennis and kevin

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announcers are steve harder gene vitoa

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mark d kobar webmasters drew the geek

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music doug aldridge

4204
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intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

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faded black is produced by kjcr for the

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game changer network and syndication is

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kgra

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the planet this broadcast only

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copyrighted 2021 by faded black and the

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game changer network inc

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it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

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copied or used anywhere in the known

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universe without written permission from

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fade to black of the game changer

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network i'm your host jimmy church

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i'll see everybody tomorrow night for

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03:02:14,309 --> 03:02:11,040
fader night open lines all night long

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until then everybody be safe it's time

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to fade the block